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I had better jump in here right away, because the last thread about depression on Hacker News basically got swallowed up by an n=1 anecdote, and while anecdotes
by tokenadult 13y ago
I had better jump in here right away, because the last thread about depression on Hacker News basically got swallowed up by an n=1 anecdote, and while anecdotes are wonderful (we all prefer to make decisions based on anecdotes we feel we can relate to rather than based on statistics), it takes a lot more than one anecdote to represent a complicated subject.
As my last keystrokes about depression here on Hacker News pointed out, there isn't just one disease known as depression. Depression is a symptom pattern (prolonged low mood contrary to the patient's current life experience) found often in the broad category of illnesses known as mood disorders. Behavior genetic studies of whole family lineages, genome-wide association studies, and drug intervention studies have all shown that there are a variety of biological or psychological causes for mood disorders, and not all mood disorders are the same as all other mood disorders. I know a LOT of people of various ages who have these problems, so I have been prompted for more than two decades to dig into the serious medical literature[1] on this topic. (I am not a doctor, but I've discussed mood disorders with plenty of doctors and patients.) I've seen people who tried to self-medicate with street drugs end up with psychotic symptoms and prolonged unemployment, and I've seen people with standard medical treatment supervised by physicians thrive and enjoy well off family life. The best current treatment for depression is medically supervised medication combined with professionally administered talk therapy.[2]
The human mood system can go awry both by mood being too elevated (hypomania or mania) and by it being too low (depression), with depression being the more common symptom pattern. But plenty of people have bipolar mood disorders, with various mood patterns over time, and bipolar mood disorders are tricky to treat, because some treatments that lift mood simply move patients from depression into mania. And depression doesn't always look like being inactive, down, and blue, but sometimes looks like being very irritable (this is the classic sign of depression in teenage boys--extreme irritability--and often in adults too). Physicians use patient mood-self-rating scales (which have been carefully validated over the years for monitoring treatment)[3] as a reality check on their clinical impression of how patients are doing.
As the blog post kindly submitted here points out, a patient's mood disorder influences the patient's whole family. The more other family members know about depression, the better. Encouraging words (NO, not just "cheer up") are important to help the patient reframe thought patterns and aid professional cognitive talk therapy. Care in sleep schedules and eating and exercise patterns is also important. People can become much more healthy than they ever imagined possible even after years of untreated mood disorders, but it is often a whole-family effort that brings about the best results.
[1] http://www.amazon.com/Manic-Depressive-Illness-Disorders-Recurrent-Depression/dp/0195135792 http://www.amazon.com/Manic-Depressive-Illness-Disorders-Rec...
[2] Combination psychotherapy and antidepressant medication treatment for depression: for whom, when, and how.
Craighead WE1, Dunlop BW.
Annu Rev Psychol. 2014;65:267-300. doi: 10.1146/annurev.psych.121208.131653. Epub 2013 Sep 13.
[3] http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1859039-overview http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1859039-overview
- lifeisstillgood 13y agoThank you - your posts do more good than you might suppose. Take care.
- iandanforth 13y agoMy current impression is that while efficacy is demonstrated for many drugs, how they work is poorly understood or not at all. Do you know of good reviews that cover what we know about why some drugs work and others don't? Preferably in more detail than 'free seratonin serum levels were increased.'
- tokenadult 13y agoYou are correct that how any of the drugs work is currently poorly understood. Presumably, there are individual biochemical differences in either drug receptor sites on nerve cells or in metabolism of the drug after ingestion that make some kind of treatment difference, but there are not convenient medical tests yet to predict which kind of patient will respond to which drug. When I advise friends about pondering different medical treatments for most disease, my pickling in the research on human behavior genetics in the weekly journal club I attend suggests that you look to what works for your close relatives. If a particular medicine seems to be helpful with few side effects for a first-degree relative (parent, sibling, or child), give it a try. If a particular drug has been useless for someone closely related to you, for whatever condition you are concerned about, start your search with some other drug. And so on. Eventually we MAY get to a deeper genetic understanding of individual differences in response to prescribed medicines, but we are a long way from that so far.
- greatdox 13y agoThe problem is that the psychiatry industry has gotten a lot of things wrong: http://blastar.in/crawfraud/?p=602 http://blastar.in/crawfraud/?p=602 Not every mental illness is a chemical imbalance, it might be neurological in nature, or it could be stress based, or maybe you just need a psychotherapist and learn some coping skills? I think they are developing new neuroscience theories on the brain so they can fix what is wrong with psychiatry. I would recommend this book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Future-Mind-Scientific-Understand/dp/038553082X http://www.amazon.com/The-Future-Mind-Scientific-Understand/... It seems to discuss the basics of neuroscience and how the brain and mind work. It also discusses medicine and how to fix things. It might be a good read for you.