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"but in Microsoft fashion" ... Show me where I can directly contribute to random Apple products or where I'd send my upstream Android improvements. Worse, the

"but in Microsoft fashion" ... Show me where I can directly contribute to random Apple products or where I'd send my upstream Android improvements. Worse, the Linux kernel is open source, but getting my own changes into the main distribution is probably taking some work and the chance that they won't be accepted is rather good. No offense, but I'm really unhappy about the continued MS bashing. Yes, right now (due to the BUILD conference) there are a good number of Microsoft related posts on this site. Yes, Microsoft wasn't the corporate citizen most of us wanted them to be in the past. But these news are _nice_ and the slights are really misplaced.

wcarss 13y ago
It would be difficult to submit a patch to the Linux kernel, yes. Especially as an outsider with no history with the project. But people do submit them. Because that is how open source projects operate. As for apple: bugzilla.webkit.org and llvm.org/bugs - you have to invest real time in these before you can submit patches, but they take take them. 'In Microsoft Fashion' here may be more mean than it needs to be, but I do not think it refers to a general greed or selfishness or what-have-you. It sounds to me like it refers specifically to the sort of open source that major Microsoft products had previously been released under, and that was it. Any hating ascribed to the statement is interpretation. I agree about Android. I wish it were actually open source -- maybe someday. :)
- darklajid 13y ago
  Even for Microsoft open-source (as in 'anyone can send patches and might get them accepted') is nothing new. From [1], posted March 27, 2012 (and note the author!): You can also now contribute directly to the development of the products by reviewing and sending feedback on code checkins, submitting bugs and helping us verify fixes as they are checked in, suggesting and giving feedback on new features as they are implemented, as well as by submitting code fixes or code contributions of your own. Note that all code submissions will be rigorously reviewed and tested by the ASP.NET MVC Team, and only those that meet an extremely high bar for both quality and design/roadmap appropriateness will be merged into the source. -- Sounds like .. any high profile open source project: Feel free to contribute, be aware that we might reject your work. So two years later, after opening more projects to this model, I don't think 'the sort of open source that major Microsoft products had .. been released under' is correct. (Obviously there's a fair bit of interpretation going on. As it always is in text, unless you're fairly close to the author perhaps) 1: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2012/03/27/asp-net-mvc-web-api-razor-and-open-source.aspx http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2012/03/27/asp-net-mv...
fpgeek 13y ago
If you want to submit an Android patch: http://source.android.com/source/submit-patches.html http://source.android.com/source/submit-patches.html The problem with Android was never that they didn't have a contribution process. IIRC, they've had that since day 1 (or maybe even before with the pre-device SDK). The problem is that the success rate for patch submissions is abysmal because Google evaluates patches in the context of the unreleased, unpublished version of Android they're working on internally rather than against the most recent published released that they are typically against.

wcarss 13y ago

It would be difficult to submit a patch to the Linux kernel, yes. Especially as an outsider with no history with the project. But people do submit them. Because that is how open source projects operate. As for apple: bugzilla.webkit.org and llvm.org/bugs - you have to invest real time in these before you can submit patches, but they take take them. 'In Microsoft Fashion' here may be more mean than it needs to be, but I do not think it refers to a general greed or selfishness or what-have-you. It sounds to me like it refers specifically to the sort of open source that major Microsoft products had previously been released under, and that was it. Any hating ascribed to the statement is interpretation. I agree about Android. I wish it were actually open source -- maybe someday. :)

darklajid 13y ago
Even for Microsoft open-source (as in 'anyone can send patches and might get them accepted') is nothing new. From [1], posted March 27, 2012 (and note the author!): You can also now contribute directly to the development of the products by reviewing and sending feedback on code checkins, submitting bugs and helping us verify fixes as they are checked in, suggesting and giving feedback on new features as they are implemented, as well as by submitting code fixes or code contributions of your own. Note that all code submissions will be rigorously reviewed and tested by the ASP.NET MVC Team, and only those that meet an extremely high bar for both quality and design/roadmap appropriateness will be merged into the source. -- Sounds like .. any high profile open source project: Feel free to contribute, be aware that we might reject your work. So two years later, after opening more projects to this model, I don't think 'the sort of open source that major Microsoft products had .. been released under' is correct. (Obviously there's a fair bit of interpretation going on. As it always is in text, unless you're fairly close to the author perhaps) 1: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2012/03/27/asp-net-mvc-web-api-razor-and-open-source.aspx http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2012/03/27/asp-net-mv...

fpgeek 13y ago

If you want to submit an Android patch: http://source.android.com/source/submit-patches.html http://source.android.com/source/submit-patches.html The problem with Android was never that they didn't have a contribution process. IIRC, they've had that since day 1 (or maybe even before with the pre-device SDK). The problem is that the success rate for patch submissions is abysmal because Google evaluates patches in the context of the unreleased, unpublished version of Android they're working on internally rather than against the most recent published released that they are typically against.