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It was a political issue in 2008, it was a ballot initiative. You grandiose view of the issue doesn't change the fact that he is being punished for his politica

by visualR 13y ago

It was a political issue in 2008, it was a ballot initiative. You grandiose view of the issue doesn't change the fact that he is being punished for his political expression.

devindotcom 13y ago
Excuse me, it is an issue today, and has to do with basic civil rights.
- visualR 13y ago
  The issue was his contribution in 2008, which is what led to him stepping down.
  - devindotcom 13y ago
    The issue is his continued belief that gay people should not enjoy the same civil rights as straight people.
    - visualR 13y ago
      The only reason you suspect that is because of his contribution in 2008.
    - devindotcom 13y ago
      @visualR: No. To publicly take a position and then not change it is to keep that position, for one thing. Furthermore, he has made it clear that he has not changed it over the last week with his blog post and interview.
      - rinon 13y ago
        Would you rather he compromise his integrity to "change" his opinion on something based on pressure? I personally respect people who do not pretend to change their views, regardless of whether I agree with them. I also respect people who, after careful consideration, do truly change their mind, but I cannot require this of anyone but myself.
      - devindotcom 13y ago
        @Rinon: His views amount to bigotry, so not changing them merely amounts to unrepentant bigotry. Did you have great respect for those who fought on for Jim Crow laws, or who today use voter intimidation to express their lack of compromise? I would rather his views changed, because they are harmful and indicate a deep prejudice, or that he suffer the consequences of publicly taking a position against awarding a group civil rights.
grmarcil 13y ago
Is it impossible for an issue to be both political and human rights related? Did the political nature of the civil rights movement of the 1960s somehow make it less of a human rights issue?
- visualR 13y ago
  It is. But we're definitely not comparing apples to apples

by visualR 13y ago

It was a political issue in 2008, it was a ballot initiative. You grandiose view of the issue doesn't change the fact that he is being punished for his political expression.

devindotcom 13y ago

Excuse me, it is an issue today, and has to do with basic civil rights.

visualR 13y ago
The issue was his contribution in 2008, which is what led to him stepping down.
- devindotcom 13y ago
  The issue is his continued belief that gay people should not enjoy the same civil rights as straight people.
  - visualR 13y ago
    The only reason you suspect that is because of his contribution in 2008.
  - devindotcom 13y ago
    @visualR: No. To publicly take a position and then not change it is to keep that position, for one thing. Furthermore, he has made it clear that he has not changed it over the last week with his blog post and interview.
    - rinon 13y ago
      Would you rather he compromise his integrity to "change" his opinion on something based on pressure? I personally respect people who do not pretend to change their views, regardless of whether I agree with them. I also respect people who, after careful consideration, do truly change their mind, but I cannot require this of anyone but myself.
    - devindotcom 13y ago
      @Rinon: His views amount to bigotry, so not changing them merely amounts to unrepentant bigotry. Did you have great respect for those who fought on for Jim Crow laws, or who today use voter intimidation to express their lack of compromise? I would rather his views changed, because they are harmful and indicate a deep prejudice, or that he suffer the consequences of publicly taking a position against awarding a group civil rights.

grmarcil 13y ago

Is it impossible for an issue to be both political and human rights related? Did the political nature of the civil rights movement of the 1960s somehow make it less of a human rights issue?

visualR 13y ago
It is. But we're definitely not comparing apples to apples