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Ridiculous. I could list dozens of important Catholic scientists over the centuries but I'm sure I'd be wasting my breath. Can you even name a persecuted scient

by nsxwolf 13y ago

Ridiculous. I could list dozens of important Catholic scientists over the centuries but I'm sure I'd be wasting my breath. Can you even name a persecuted scientist besides Gallileo? (The new secular darling Bruno was not a scientist)

duaneb 13y ago
Bruno was also executed for, among other things, denying the divinity of Jesus and the virginity of Mary, not any of his pseudo-science. (This a bad blemish on the current run of Cosmos; he should be remembered as a whacko philosopher rather than one who contributed to our current scientific corpus.)
ivanca 13y ago
That's the exact reason I can't name them; they got killed by the church before they could get famous.
- Natsu 13y ago
  There's a list with all of the names inside Russel's Teapot.
  - ivanca 13y ago
    No sir, is closer than that: http://listverse.com/2011/06/08/top-10-shameful-moments-in-catholic-history/ http://listverse.com/2011/06/08/top-10-shameful-moments-in-c... And this are the know ones, if you don't think there is a single one outside those, you sir, are delusional (or just biased).
    - Natsu 13y ago
      That does not appear to be a list of scientists.
      - ivanca 13y ago
        Ups, wrong link, it was meant to be: http://www.wired.com/2012/06/famous-persecuted-scientists/ http://www.wired.com/2012/06/famous-persecuted-scientists/
        Natsu 13y ago
        My original comment was more about how you excused yourself out of providing proof, rather than stating that there were no such people. For anyone curious about the contents of your link, here's a TL;DR of the people listed: Rhazes - Muslims beat him over the head with his own book. Crazy stuff. Sevetus - Executed for theological reasons. Ironically beaten to his scientific discovery by a Muslim, Ibn-al-Nafis who figured it out some 300 years earlier. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_circulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_circulation Galileo - Well known, put under house arrest. Domagk - Nazis kept him from getting his Nobel prize. Einstein - Nazis got mad at him after he left the country. Turing - Given hormone injections.
adamnemecek 13y ago
> I could list dozens of important Catholic scientists over the centuries How does that disprove that the Catholic church might have prevented scientific progress?
- nsxwolf 13y ago
  It proves the exact opposite.
  - adamnemecek 13y ago
    How so? What if the church prevented some research while allowing other? At the end of the day, there might have been some research but the church still would have prevented progress. > The new secular darling Bruno was not a scientist How so?
tokipin 13y ago
It's not as simple as that. Religion was part and parcel of those cultures just as it is in many cultures today. It's not just about the one or two overt cases that we know about hundreds of years later, but the fact that for every one of those people there were likely hundreds or thousands more whose voices were never heard, not because they were forgotten by history, but simply because they chose to remain silent.

by nsxwolf 13y ago

duaneb 13y ago

Bruno was also executed for, among other things, denying the divinity of Jesus and the virginity of Mary, not any of his pseudo-science. (This a bad blemish on the current run of Cosmos; he should be remembered as a whacko philosopher rather than one who contributed to our current scientific corpus.)

ivanca 13y ago

That's the exact reason I can't name them; they got killed by the church before they could get famous.

Natsu 13y ago
There's a list with all of the names inside Russel's Teapot.
- ivanca 13y ago
  No sir, is closer than that: http://listverse.com/2011/06/08/top-10-shameful-moments-in-catholic-history/ http://listverse.com/2011/06/08/top-10-shameful-moments-in-c... And this are the know ones, if you don't think there is a single one outside those, you sir, are delusional (or just biased).
  - Natsu 13y ago
    That does not appear to be a list of scientists.
    - ivanca 13y ago
      Ups, wrong link, it was meant to be: http://www.wired.com/2012/06/famous-persecuted-scientists/ http://www.wired.com/2012/06/famous-persecuted-scientists/
      - Natsu 13y ago
        My original comment was more about how you excused yourself out of providing proof, rather than stating that there were no such people. For anyone curious about the contents of your link, here's a TL;DR of the people listed: Rhazes - Muslims beat him over the head with his own book. Crazy stuff. Sevetus - Executed for theological reasons. Ironically beaten to his scientific discovery by a Muslim, Ibn-al-Nafis who figured it out some 300 years earlier. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_circulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_circulation Galileo - Well known, put under house arrest. Domagk - Nazis kept him from getting his Nobel prize. Einstein - Nazis got mad at him after he left the country. Turing - Given hormone injections.

adamnemecek 13y ago

> I could list dozens of important Catholic scientists over the centuries How does that disprove that the Catholic church might have prevented scientific progress?

nsxwolf 13y ago
It proves the exact opposite.
- adamnemecek 13y ago
  How so? What if the church prevented some research while allowing other? At the end of the day, there might have been some research but the church still would have prevented progress. > The new secular darling Bruno was not a scientist How so?

tokipin 13y ago

It's not as simple as that. Religion was part and parcel of those cultures just as it is in many cultures today. It's not just about the one or two overt cases that we know about hundreds of years later, but the fact that for every one of those people there were likely hundreds or thousands more whose voices were never heard, not because they were forgotten by history, but simply because they chose to remain silent.