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> Is the idea that if we villify [homophobia] enough and those that express them, they will eventually go away? Yes. It's been generally working with racism, s
by jamesaguilar 13y ago
> Is the idea that if we villify [homophobia] enough and those that express them, they will eventually go away?
Yes. It's been generally working with racism, sexism, classism, and a bunch of other bad -isms. The needs of oppressed groups outweigh the needs of their oppressors to express their views free of consequences.
- PavlovsCat 13y agoThe need of the oppressed groups for revenge after they more or less won? Really? Anyone who thinks like that has none of my support. Good luck with your fight, which could have been ours. Also, there are plenty ways of having "consequences" without outright firing the guy, when from all we know he was doing his job just fine and brought exactly zero of his views about gay marriage into it.
- devindotcom 13y agoWho has won, and in what way? Are you suggesting gay people have "won" in some way other than a few isolated and contested areas where their relationships have, after decades of protest and activism, been acknowledged as legally equivalent to straight people's relationships?
- PavlovsCat 13y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008) ^ notice how the article is written in the past tense.
- wonderzombie 13y agoIt's not about "winning." It's about what kind of world we want to live in. Evidently enough people don't want to live in a world where a bigot is the CEO of an organization that ostensibly espouses freedom and equality. I use the word bigot advisedly. Anything else is sugar-coating the motivations and rationale of the anti-gay-marriage crowd— there is no basis for it which does not rest on a religious argument, in theory or in practice. And you can't actively oppose deny someone else's civil rights and claim it's not personal, or whatever.
- PavlovsCat 13y agoYou're still extrapolating mighty much from that one donation, I find it a petty witch hunt. You live in a world where your president is a mass murdering war criminal on your behalf, in your name. You live in a world where Gitmo is a thing. So much for organizations espousing freedom and equality, so much for where your tax money goes. Compared to that, who works for Mozilla isn't really anyone's business -- don't use their products if it means so much to you, but don't think a victory was won here for anything but delusion and self-righteous pettyness.
- visualR 13y agoIm not sure anti same sex marriage is the same as homophobia. Is it the wrong opinion, yes. But I wouldnt say being against same sex marriage is sufficient to make someone a homophobe.
- mikeash 13y agoHow could it be otherwise?
- reverius42 13y agoOh. Would you consider being against interracial marriage sufficient to make someone a racist?
- visualR 13y agoYeah it would make them a racist. Because its most likely hate or disgust for the other race which is causing a person to be against interracial marriage. But for same sex marriage, there are BS religious reasons to be against it, not just hatred or disgust of gays.
- wonderzombie 13y agoThe "BS" in "BS religious reasons" is the tell. There are huge swaths of the Bible the religious set is happy to set aside when it's convenient. Go read Leviticus for a start. It says more about Christians than it does about gay people or even the Bible that they're fixated on homosexuality.
- devindotcom 13y agoIt seems to be hate or disgust whenever it suits you, but in Eich's case, you need assurance.
- visualR 13y agoNo, I just dont go around assuming things.
- natural219 13y agoreply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7528088 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7528088
- jamesaguilar 13y agoIt's fine that you think that, but it is at odds with the way this has been done in most other civil rights movements.