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> We have employees with a wide diversity of views. Our culture of openness extends to encouraging staff and community to share their beliefs and opinions in pu

> We have employees with a wide diversity of views. Our culture of openness extends to encouraging staff and community to share their beliefs and opinions in public. Except for the CEO, it seems. I don't think what he did is right -- it should be pretty obvious to everyone by now that history is going to look unfavourably at all of us for dragging our feet on the issue he made a bigoted stand on -- but it seems a peculiar thing to include in the blog post announcing that your CEO stepped down because of his stance on a civil rights issue.

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blatherard 13y ago
Rest of the paragraph for understanding: "This is meant to distinguish Mozilla from most organizations and hold us to a higher standard. But this time we failed to listen, to engage, and to be guided by our community." They're saying they have a culture of openness in decision-making, but chose their CEO in a way contrary to that.
ryanobjc 13y ago
A CEO exists to serve the staff, the community and the world at large. Ditto for any leadership role. There is. Ton of laws and legal precident which enshrine this. Given that context, yeah the CEO doesn't get to piss of the people he is supposed to lead.
cmelbye 13y ago
Is it really that difficult to understand why the CEO would be treated differently in that regard? His job is to lead the company. It's hard to do that when many Mozilla employees fundamentally disagree with his stance on how their LGBT friends, coworkers, and family members should be treated in the eyes of the law. That's just the nature of the role.
- sparky_z 13y ago
  So then should a CEO of a company in a rural conservative place, say Alabama, be forced to step down because he supports gay marriage, just because many of his employees disagree with him on that issue?
  - honksillet 13y ago
    The success of this campaign will certainly embolden others from both sides of the political spectrum to try to take scalps in this way. It is really a scary development.
  - usefulcat 13y ago
    Should such a person step down? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, Eich wasn't forced to step down; he did so voluntarily.
    - mpyne 13y ago
      > Regardless, Eich wasn't forced to step down; he did so voluntarily. I think an HR type might examine the concept of "constructive dismissal" in this particular case.
  - Iftheshoefits 13y ago
    There is no such symmetry as you imply. The opinions under discussion aren't irrelevant. One opinion is that an entire group's freedoms ought to be restricted. Another is that the group's freedoms ought not be. These opinions are different, and the character of individuals having these opinions, with respect to their behavior towards others, is different. It's irrational of your hypothetical conservatives in Alabama to react negatively toward that CEO, because that CEO is simply not arguing for the conservatives' freedoms to be suppressed.
__abc 13y ago
To be clear, what he did wasn't wrong either. You have a different opinion, and society as a whole is shifting to a different opinion, but that doesn't make his actions wrong.
- jamesaguilar 13y ago
  Certainly he's no more wrong than any racist in the fifties or sixties, and we all know how not-wrong those folks were.
- georgespencer 13y ago
  It's about as close to wrong as you can get in any meaningful sense.

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blatherard 13y ago

Rest of the paragraph for understanding: "This is meant to distinguish Mozilla from most organizations and hold us to a higher standard. But this time we failed to listen, to engage, and to be guided by our community." They're saying they have a culture of openness in decision-making, but chose their CEO in a way contrary to that.

ryanobjc 13y ago

A CEO exists to serve the staff, the community and the world at large. Ditto for any leadership role. There is. Ton of laws and legal precident which enshrine this. Given that context, yeah the CEO doesn't get to piss of the people he is supposed to lead.

cmelbye 13y ago

Is it really that difficult to understand why the CEO would be treated differently in that regard? His job is to lead the company. It's hard to do that when many Mozilla employees fundamentally disagree with his stance on how their LGBT friends, coworkers, and family members should be treated in the eyes of the law. That's just the nature of the role.

sparky_z 13y ago
So then should a CEO of a company in a rural conservative place, say Alabama, be forced to step down because he supports gay marriage, just because many of his employees disagree with him on that issue?
- honksillet 13y ago
  The success of this campaign will certainly embolden others from both sides of the political spectrum to try to take scalps in this way. It is really a scary development.
- usefulcat 13y ago
  Should such a person step down? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, Eich wasn't forced to step down; he did so voluntarily.
  - mpyne 13y ago
    > Regardless, Eich wasn't forced to step down; he did so voluntarily. I think an HR type might examine the concept of "constructive dismissal" in this particular case.
- Iftheshoefits 13y ago
  There is no such symmetry as you imply. The opinions under discussion aren't irrelevant. One opinion is that an entire group's freedoms ought to be restricted. Another is that the group's freedoms ought not be. These opinions are different, and the character of individuals having these opinions, with respect to their behavior towards others, is different. It's irrational of your hypothetical conservatives in Alabama to react negatively toward that CEO, because that CEO is simply not arguing for the conservatives' freedoms to be suppressed.

__abc 13y ago

To be clear, what he did wasn't wrong either. You have a different opinion, and society as a whole is shifting to a different opinion, but that doesn't make his actions wrong.

jamesaguilar 13y ago
Certainly he's no more wrong than any racist in the fifties or sixties, and we all know how not-wrong those folks were.
georgespencer 13y ago
It's about as close to wrong as you can get in any meaningful sense.