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"our large, global, and diverse community is what makes Mozilla special" Apparently diversity is narrower today.

matthewmacleod 13y ago
Diversity as a concept cannot legitimately be defined to include intolerance as an attribute to be protected. Swap out "anti-gay-marriage" for "racist" or "anti-semitic" – it would be difficult to argue that calling for the resignation of an active campaigner against racial equality was "anti-diversity"; the same applies here.
- viggity 13y ago
  I was against prop 8, it was stupid, but people act like it was going to throw members of the LGBT in prison or death camps or something.
  - matthewmacleod 13y ago
    I've not seen any evidence of that, and I don't see what your point is. I mean, it did actively strip civil rights from LGBT people, and that's pretty bad…
  - mpalmer 13y ago
    Not sure if you're a member of the LGBT community or not, but it sounds like your argument here is that because the reactions of others against Prop 8 were stronger than your own, they were invalid. It's not a very tenable position to take. Do you really believe the outcry over putting minorities in prison would parallel that of Prop 8?
    - viggity 13y ago
      No, I don't think they're invalid, I just think such strong visceral reactions are counterproductive. Prop 8 supporters and/or fence sitters are much less likely to have an open mind when someone is screaming at them that they're a bigot. Prop 8 supporters are wrong. Not Evil.
  - mkessy 13y ago
    Yeah the discrimination wasn't that bad, I mean those gays should just suck it up it's not like they were getting sent to an internment camp! Do they really need to get married anyway?
gfodor 13y ago
Diversity of character, upbringing, viewpoints, or personality only counts if you first meet the "different skin color or gender" requirement. If you want evidence of this just look for the lack of companies that celebrate the diversity of their workforce of white men who come from poor economic backgrounds. And then notice the companies who celebrate their gender ratio or minority ratio without acknowledging that many of those people likely had economic privilege. If we are going to celebrate diversity we should do so based upon the diversity of ideas and opinions unique people bring to the workplace. Quantifying this by superficial things about a person's appearance, while perhaps a decent proxy, is overall a poor way to do this. Someone who supports prop 8 (something I vehemently disagree with, but many Americans support) yet thrives in the engineering community is almost by definition a unique individual who likely brings alternative viewpoints to the table. I wouldn't be surprised if 1 in 100 engineers agree with him on this point. But no, because someone disagrees with us on a political or moral issue we can't compartmentalize it and try to appreciate what they bring to the table otherwise.

Diversity as a concept cannot legitimately be defined to include intolerance as an attribute to be protected. Swap out "anti-gay-marriage" for "racist" or "anti-semitic" – it would be difficult to argue that calling for the resignation of an active campaigner against racial equality was "anti-diversity"; the same applies here.

viggity 13y ago
I was against prop 8, it was stupid, but people act like it was going to throw members of the LGBT in prison or death camps or something.
- matthewmacleod 13y ago
  I've not seen any evidence of that, and I don't see what your point is. I mean, it did actively strip civil rights from LGBT people, and that's pretty bad…
- mpalmer 13y ago
  Not sure if you're a member of the LGBT community or not, but it sounds like your argument here is that because the reactions of others against Prop 8 were stronger than your own, they were invalid. It's not a very tenable position to take. Do you really believe the outcry over putting minorities in prison would parallel that of Prop 8?
  - viggity 13y ago
    No, I don't think they're invalid, I just think such strong visceral reactions are counterproductive. Prop 8 supporters and/or fence sitters are much less likely to have an open mind when someone is screaming at them that they're a bigot. Prop 8 supporters are wrong. Not Evil.
- mkessy 13y ago
  Yeah the discrimination wasn't that bad, I mean those gays should just suck it up it's not like they were getting sent to an internment camp! Do they really need to get married anyway?

gfodor 13y ago

Diversity of character, upbringing, viewpoints, or personality only counts if you first meet the "different skin color or gender" requirement. If you want evidence of this just look for the lack of companies that celebrate the diversity of their workforce of white men who come from poor economic backgrounds. And then notice the companies who celebrate their gender ratio or minority ratio without acknowledging that many of those people likely had economic privilege. If we are going to celebrate diversity we should do so based upon the diversity of ideas and opinions unique people bring to the workplace. Quantifying this by superficial things about a person's appearance, while perhaps a decent proxy, is overall a poor way to do this. Someone who supports prop 8 (something I vehemently disagree with, but many Americans support) yet thrives in the engineering community is almost by definition a unique individual who likely brings alternative viewpoints to the table. I wouldn't be surprised if 1 in 100 engineers agree with him on this point. But no, because someone disagrees with us on a political or moral issue we can't compartmentalize it and try to appreciate what they bring to the table otherwise.