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funny i was talking about something similar with a friend last night. think about this: in a lot of professions it's common to study about up to 10 years befor

funny i was talking about something similar with a friend last night. think about this: in a lot of professions it's common to study about up to 10 years before you start working. that's after 12-13 years of school(unless you're a professional athlete) you study for a quarter century. think about it. a quarter of a century. that's the height of your youth. then you're allowed to work for 40 years so you can "enjoy" your retirement(provided you still get any retirement at that time). that's by the way the time when you have pain all over your body, wake up at 4 am and go to bed at 9. who's winning here? who are we kidding?

barry-cotter 13y ago
in a lot of professions it's common to study about up to 10 years before you start working. that's after 12-13 years of school(unless you're a professional athlete Give three examples. Just graduated doctors get paid while they're doing further study and specialisation, ditto for lawyers and doctoral students mostly get paid, albeit very badly.
- arethuza 13y ago
  My wife spent 8 unpaid years in education (4 years first degree, 2 year LLB, 1 year mandatory post-grad, 1 year devilling to be an Advocate) - with a 2 year trainee period before the devilling. That was 8 years unpaid, 2 years low pay.
  - barry-cotter 13y ago
    So there was a four year unnecessary mistake degree/degree as consumption not investment, right? One can get an Ll.B. in three years in the UK. Does mandatory postgrad actually mean mandatory or is it just a way of throwing out all other applicants?
    - arethuza 13y ago
      Yes, but I'm not in England, and first degrees are 4 years here (for an Hons). Getting a first degree and then an LLB is the more traditional route to qualifying as a solicitor and indeed the government department where she trained had it as a requirement - they only looked at trainees that had two first degrees. Mind you, in reality the first degree was a mistake at the time but when she did learn how the legal system actually works (not written down anywhere, of course) having two degrees was regarded as a very good thing and more "respectable" than doing it as a first degree (can't think of a better term). It used to be pretty common - and was frankly a class thing.
      - barry-cotter 13y ago
        Are you in Scotland? Solicitors haven't been unambiguously upper class until fairly recently, being a barrister has always been respectable but as far as the upper reaches of society were concerned a solicitor was a kind of clerk. The two first degrees requirement is nauseatingly classist, almost as disgusting a waste of life as the US system of legal or medical education.
wmt 13y ago
Studying for a quarter of a century during the height of your youth a reward on its own, and it's unfortunate that for so many it's just a path to employment. I wouldn't change that even in the imaginary utopia I can dream about. What's BS is having to pay for that is the less fortunate countries, and a pressure to churn people through it as fast as possible.
- seestheday 13y ago
  I wish I could just study new things constantly. I do it as a hobby. Every once and a while I find a completely new rabbit hole to dive into and I find it exhilarating. I wish I could spend all of my time learning and making new things, ranging from computer systems/programs to rebuilding old motorcycles/cars or learning how to draw. I did find my physics degree a little tiring by the 4th year, but that was mostly because I had discovered computer science.
Detrus 13y ago
You won't have that much pain if you take exercise seriously. And you don't have to work all 40 years if you keep expenses reasonable.

barry-cotter 13y ago

in a lot of professions it's common to study about up to 10 years before you start working. that's after 12-13 years of school(unless you're a professional athlete Give three examples. Just graduated doctors get paid while they're doing further study and specialisation, ditto for lawyers and doctoral students mostly get paid, albeit very badly.

arethuza 13y ago
My wife spent 8 unpaid years in education (4 years first degree, 2 year LLB, 1 year mandatory post-grad, 1 year devilling to be an Advocate) - with a 2 year trainee period before the devilling. That was 8 years unpaid, 2 years low pay.
- barry-cotter 13y ago
  So there was a four year unnecessary mistake degree/degree as consumption not investment, right? One can get an Ll.B. in three years in the UK. Does mandatory postgrad actually mean mandatory or is it just a way of throwing out all other applicants?
  - arethuza 13y ago
    Yes, but I'm not in England, and first degrees are 4 years here (for an Hons). Getting a first degree and then an LLB is the more traditional route to qualifying as a solicitor and indeed the government department where she trained had it as a requirement - they only looked at trainees that had two first degrees. Mind you, in reality the first degree was a mistake at the time but when she did learn how the legal system actually works (not written down anywhere, of course) having two degrees was regarded as a very good thing and more "respectable" than doing it as a first degree (can't think of a better term). It used to be pretty common - and was frankly a class thing.
    - barry-cotter 13y ago
      Are you in Scotland? Solicitors haven't been unambiguously upper class until fairly recently, being a barrister has always been respectable but as far as the upper reaches of society were concerned a solicitor was a kind of clerk. The two first degrees requirement is nauseatingly classist, almost as disgusting a waste of life as the US system of legal or medical education.

wmt 13y ago

Studying for a quarter of a century during the height of your youth a reward on its own, and it's unfortunate that for so many it's just a path to employment. I wouldn't change that even in the imaginary utopia I can dream about. What's BS is having to pay for that is the less fortunate countries, and a pressure to churn people through it as fast as possible.

seestheday 13y ago
I wish I could just study new things constantly. I do it as a hobby. Every once and a while I find a completely new rabbit hole to dive into and I find it exhilarating. I wish I could spend all of my time learning and making new things, ranging from computer systems/programs to rebuilding old motorcycles/cars or learning how to draw. I did find my physics degree a little tiring by the 4th year, but that was mostly because I had discovered computer science.

Detrus 13y ago

You won't have that much pain if you take exercise seriously. And you don't have to work all 40 years if you keep expenses reasonable.