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One thing I don't see mentioned, do universal apps support C++11? I can understand why it's not as easy to support native code across platforms (i.e. need to d

by tdicola 13y ago

One thing I don't see mentioned, do universal apps support C++11? I can understand why it's not as easy to support native code across platforms (i.e. need to do some kind of fat binary thing), but think it's a little sad to see all the work done to support modern C++ app development kind of abandoned. Really annoying if you have to choose between an app being universal or written in modern C++.

dragontamer 13y ago
Microsoft is one of the biggest supporters of C++11, and C++14 for that matter. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh567368.aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh567368.aspx
- mnem 13y ago
  Well, they're certainly catching up, but they have a bit to go to before they match clang or gcc: http://cpprocks.com/c1114-compiler-and-library-shootout/ http://cpprocks.com/c1114-compiler-and-library-shootout/
xamlhacker 13y ago
AFAIK they do. WinRT apps can be written in many languages including C++. And this is pure native C++ and not "managed" C++.
- tdicola 13y ago
  Yes I'm aware of that, but can universal apps be written in native code? I don't see any mention of it in their announcement.
  - xamlhacker 13y ago
    I am 100% sure they can be written in native code but don't have any reference to give you for now.
KMag 13y ago
> (i.e. need to do some kind of fat binary thing) Fat binaries aren't needed to support pointer arithmetic or any other C++11 features in a cross-platform binary. LLVM bitcode supports pointer arithmetic. I also believe .NET bytecode supports pointer arithmetic. I'm not sure what other features you thought would require some kind of fat binary.
- tdicola 13y ago
  WinRT lets you write native Win 8 apps in C++, however it doesn't use LLVM or .NET bytecode. If universal binaries are supposed to be supported across different architectures (like x86, ARM, etc.) I don't know of any other way to support it than fat binaries.

by tdicola 13y ago

dragontamer 13y ago

Microsoft is one of the biggest supporters of C++11, and C++14 for that matter. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh567368.aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh567368.aspx

mnem 13y ago
Well, they're certainly catching up, but they have a bit to go to before they match clang or gcc: http://cpprocks.com/c1114-compiler-and-library-shootout/ http://cpprocks.com/c1114-compiler-and-library-shootout/

xamlhacker 13y ago

AFAIK they do. WinRT apps can be written in many languages including C++. And this is pure native C++ and not "managed" C++.

tdicola 13y ago
Yes I'm aware of that, but can universal apps be written in native code? I don't see any mention of it in their announcement.
- xamlhacker 13y ago
  I am 100% sure they can be written in native code but don't have any reference to give you for now.

KMag 13y ago

> (i.e. need to do some kind of fat binary thing) Fat binaries aren't needed to support pointer arithmetic or any other C++11 features in a cross-platform binary. LLVM bitcode supports pointer arithmetic. I also believe .NET bytecode supports pointer arithmetic. I'm not sure what other features you thought would require some kind of fat binary.

tdicola 13y ago
WinRT lets you write native Win 8 apps in C++, however it doesn't use LLVM or .NET bytecode. If universal binaries are supposed to be supported across different architectures (like x86, ARM, etc.) I don't know of any other way to support it than fat binaries.