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I can't decide if the uber drama queens or the Apple apologistas are more annoying right now. I think I'm leaning towards apologistas, though.

by mrkurt 17y ago

jsz0 17y ago
That's an easy one. The apologists are saying they like their product just fine. No problem. They accept the limitations/restrictions. The drama queens are, mostly, unwilling to switch to another product that fits their requirements/political views better. I make this assumption based on the constant repeats of the same story over and over again. Someone who was truly upset would have switched to another platform long ago. What's that? None of the competition is as good? Welcome to the real world. You can rarely get exactly what you want. Accept it or man up, pay the $175 early termination fee, and get another product.
alaskamiller 17y ago
Yeah, people with opinions are just really annoying.
blasdel 17y ago
Marco is by no means an apologist for Apple -- he's written a bunch of posts about the hideously stupid shit they keep pulling with the app store: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amarco.org+app+store http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amarco.org+app+store
- SirWart 17y ago
  The part that bothered me was this: "And which freedoms? The freedom to break Apple’s DRM? The freedom for Palm to violate the USB spec by identifying the Pre with a different vendor ID?" Palm wasn't actually breaking any DRM, and changing the vendor id was the only way they could make their software inter-operate well. I understand that Palm and Apple are huge competitors, but very rarely do people defend such blatant attempts at platform lock-in. I wouldn't call him a apologist, but it definitely feels reactionary to Calacanis's points.
  - cakesy 17y ago
    More drivel. Maybe you can show us two huge competitors, where one has started using the other software? You can not, because it hasn't happened before. Palm have a lot of options, there are lots of free music organisers they can use, they have chosen to use iTunes, which they know they are not allowed to do.
    - SirWart 17y ago
      I think it's important to note that the major reason for Palm to use iTunes is not because Palm didn't want to build their own music organizer, but because most people already use iTunes to organize their music, and it's a huge pain in the ass to switch or worse use multiple organizers.
      - neilc 17y ago
        Why is it "important to note that"? Palm obviously have their reasons for preferring iTunes, but that doesn't make faking the vendor ID any more legitimate.
        nailer 17y ago
        Who are Palm harming and how? Pre end users don't see the vendor ID, so aren't being deceived. iPhone end users keep working. Apple aren't under pressure to support Palm, they can simply say the device is unsupported and to contact Palm for issues.
        fhars 17y ago
        Indeed. That is almost as evil as putting "like Gecko" into the browser string for a browser that is clearly not based on gecko.
- nailer 17y ago
  He seems to be unaware of Apple's pricing scheme in every country other than the USA. In every country in Europe and Asia they're significantly dearer than their competitors for lower spec hardware. Compare apple.com and apple.co.uk.

I can't decide if the uber drama queens or the Apple apologistas are more annoying right now. I think I'm leaning towards apologistas, though.

by mrkurt 17y ago

I can't decide if the uber drama queens or the Apple apologistas are more annoying right now. I think I'm leaning towards apologistas, though.

jsz0 17y ago

That's an easy one. The apologists are saying they like their product just fine. No problem. They accept the limitations/restrictions. The drama queens are, mostly, unwilling to switch to another product that fits their requirements/political views better. I make this assumption based on the constant repeats of the same story over and over again. Someone who was truly upset would have switched to another platform long ago. What's that? None of the competition is as good? Welcome to the real world. You can rarely get exactly what you want. Accept it or man up, pay the $175 early termination fee, and get another product.

alaskamiller 17y ago

Yeah, people with opinions are just really annoying.

blasdel 17y ago

Marco is by no means an apologist for Apple -- he's written a bunch of posts about the hideously stupid shit they keep pulling with the app store: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amarco.org+app+store http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amarco.org+app+store

SirWart 17y ago
The part that bothered me was this: "And which freedoms? The freedom to break Apple’s DRM? The freedom for Palm to violate the USB spec by identifying the Pre with a different vendor ID?" Palm wasn't actually breaking any DRM, and changing the vendor id was the only way they could make their software inter-operate well. I understand that Palm and Apple are huge competitors, but very rarely do people defend such blatant attempts at platform lock-in. I wouldn't call him a apologist, but it definitely feels reactionary to Calacanis's points.
- cakesy 17y ago
  More drivel. Maybe you can show us two huge competitors, where one has started using the other software? You can not, because it hasn't happened before. Palm have a lot of options, there are lots of free music organisers they can use, they have chosen to use iTunes, which they know they are not allowed to do.
  - SirWart 17y ago
    I think it's important to note that the major reason for Palm to use iTunes is not because Palm didn't want to build their own music organizer, but because most people already use iTunes to organize their music, and it's a huge pain in the ass to switch or worse use multiple organizers.
    - neilc 17y ago
      Why is it "important to note that"? Palm obviously have their reasons for preferring iTunes, but that doesn't make faking the vendor ID any more legitimate.
      - nailer 17y ago
        Who are Palm harming and how? Pre end users don't see the vendor ID, so aren't being deceived. iPhone end users keep working. Apple aren't under pressure to support Palm, they can simply say the device is unsupported and to contact Palm for issues.
      - fhars 17y ago
        Indeed. That is almost as evil as putting "like Gecko" into the browser string for a browser that is clearly not based on gecko.
nailer 17y ago
He seems to be unaware of Apple's pricing scheme in every country other than the USA. In every country in Europe and Asia they're significantly dearer than their competitors for lower spec hardware. Compare apple.com and apple.co.uk.