3 ms·

The negative control came up "positive" while the acid bath came up "negative"

7 points by fspeech 13y ago

Fascinating read if you can finish the whole thread. And the story is still developing.

fspeech 13y ago
The story gets really interesting and is still developing.
- tomrod 13y ago
  What is the story?
  - fspeech 13y ago
    The lead researcher, in Hongkong, was invited to review and replicate STAP paper result (which generated a lot of discussion on HN when it first came out). There is something surpring going on. You have to read the latest comments to follow it. Sorry there is no neat TL;DR.
dang 13y ago
It's not clear to me what's going on here. The title has been rewritten, and I can't tell whether the story is an empty controversy or of significant interest, let alone whether this is the best URL for it. Let's figure this out together? I'd appreciate comments by informed users. Alternatively, if you're sure that this is an attention-getting controversy piece rather than substantive news, it would be appropriate to flag the story. (If you're not sure, then don't flag it.) If we decide together that the story belongs on the front page, I'll demote this subthread so on-topic comments take precedence.
- po 13y ago
  My understanding is that this appears to be ongoing research related to this finding, trying to replicate the experiment: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/misconduct-found-japanese-stem-cell-research https://www.sciencenews.org/article/misconduct-found-japanes... It would be a scientific breakthrough but there is controversy surrounding the claims. edit: if you scroll to the bottom of the page you can see that the 'news' is fairly new. I find it kind of interesting but I'm not sure this is the best representation of the news since it's sort of breaking news. I wasn't really aware of this researchgate site before.
  - fspeech 13y ago
    Yes the concept of researchgate is very interesting. I just found out about it as well. Prof. Lee's comments on peer review is very interesting too in this interview of his: "Read my interview on Wired about Peer review verses scientific social network. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-03/14/research-gate-kenneth-stem-cell-debunk http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-03/14/research-gate... "
- fspeech 13y ago
  This is probably the best thread to get the real science but you do need to read the comments to comprehend it. The surprise finding is at the end and it is ongoing. I used the lead researcher's comment as the title. I read that quote somewhere else first and used that quote to find the source. I thought it interesting share because you can follow important science research in real time. Real research is messy so don't expect to draw clear cut conclusions. But in my opinion this tells way more story than the final product, even if it is a Nature paper.
po 13y ago
I am not claiming that "STAP" cells exsist - only presenting the results of our research as it is - which is open to interpretation. Please, don't Hype up this data! Modified 23 minutes ago by the commenter. Yeah, so this is indeed an interesting story to follow but I already think it has too much mass-media coverage. Time will tell. They keep showing it on the evening news here in Japan as I think it's quite a controversy.
fspeech 13y ago
Quote: Kenneth Ka-Ho Lee · The Chinese University of Hong Kong Reviewer Dear All, This not an April Fool trick!. The negative control came up "positive" while the acid bath came up "negative". Looks like mechanical trituration could induce STAP cells!?!?!? However, this the first time we did this experiment and will require several more rounds to validate. End quote. Since this is ongoing research, don't jump to conclusion!

7 points by fspeech 13y ago

Fascinating read if you can finish the whole thread. And the story is still developing.

fspeech 13y ago

The story gets really interesting and is still developing.

tomrod 13y ago
What is the story?
- fspeech 13y ago
  The lead researcher, in Hongkong, was invited to review and replicate STAP paper result (which generated a lot of discussion on HN when it first came out). There is something surpring going on. You have to read the latest comments to follow it. Sorry there is no neat TL;DR.

dang 13y ago

It's not clear to me what's going on here. The title has been rewritten, and I can't tell whether the story is an empty controversy or of significant interest, let alone whether this is the best URL for it. Let's figure this out together? I'd appreciate comments by informed users. Alternatively, if you're sure that this is an attention-getting controversy piece rather than substantive news, it would be appropriate to flag the story. (If you're not sure, then don't flag it.) If we decide together that the story belongs on the front page, I'll demote this subthread so on-topic comments take precedence.

po 13y ago
My understanding is that this appears to be ongoing research related to this finding, trying to replicate the experiment: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/misconduct-found-japanese-stem-cell-research https://www.sciencenews.org/article/misconduct-found-japanes... It would be a scientific breakthrough but there is controversy surrounding the claims. edit: if you scroll to the bottom of the page you can see that the 'news' is fairly new. I find it kind of interesting but I'm not sure this is the best representation of the news since it's sort of breaking news. I wasn't really aware of this researchgate site before.
- fspeech 13y ago
  Yes the concept of researchgate is very interesting. I just found out about it as well. Prof. Lee's comments on peer review is very interesting too in this interview of his: "Read my interview on Wired about Peer review verses scientific social network. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-03/14/research-gate-kenneth-stem-cell-debunk http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-03/14/research-gate... "
fspeech 13y ago
This is probably the best thread to get the real science but you do need to read the comments to comprehend it. The surprise finding is at the end and it is ongoing. I used the lead researcher's comment as the title. I read that quote somewhere else first and used that quote to find the source. I thought it interesting share because you can follow important science research in real time. Real research is messy so don't expect to draw clear cut conclusions. But in my opinion this tells way more story than the final product, even if it is a Nature paper.

po 13y ago

I am not claiming that "STAP" cells exsist - only presenting the results of our research as it is - which is open to interpretation. Please, don't Hype up this data! Modified 23 minutes ago by the commenter. Yeah, so this is indeed an interesting story to follow but I already think it has too much mass-media coverage. Time will tell. They keep showing it on the evening news here in Japan as I think it's quite a controversy.

fspeech 13y ago

Quote: Kenneth Ka-Ho Lee · The Chinese University of Hong Kong Reviewer Dear All, This not an April Fool trick!. The negative control came up "positive" while the acid bath came up "negative". Looks like mechanical trituration could induce STAP cells!?!?!? However, this the first time we did this experiment and will require several more rounds to validate. End quote. Since this is ongoing research, don't jump to conclusion!