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I agree with you. And frankly I am so appalled by the false equivalence offered by many 'liberals' on this issue. Rather than recognize that this freedom falls

I agree with you. And frankly I am so appalled by the false equivalence offered by many 'liberals' on this issue. Rather than recognize that this freedom falls squarely within the preamble of the US Declaration of Independence, it is instead suggested by these people that it is a 'private' or 'religiously-motivated' 'belief' that therefore falls outside of critique, protest, or public protection (etc.). I'm sorry but this is simply not a moral case to make. As I indicated before, I find it so appalling that you see such views espoused by the 'liberal' party of the US.

pc86 13y ago
At the risk of being pedantic, the Declaration of Independence does not "grant" rights in the same manner that the Bill of Rights does, and really can't be used in the same context when attempting to make a Constitutional argument.
- devilshaircut 13y ago
  I didn't say that it "granted" anything. I said that in the US was founded on a specific idea of freedom. You're not being pedantic because what you say simply does not apply. Explain where I attempted to make a "Constitutional argument" - I didn't mention the Constitution a single time.
  - pc86 13y ago
    I was merely saying that this point: > this freedom falls squarely within the preamble of the US Declaration of Independence whether accurate or not, doesn't matter, because of the DOI isn't any sort of binding document. It can say that every man, woman and child deserve their own puppy, but that's not going to make it any more or less likely to happen.
    - devilshaircut 13y ago
      "Merely" - no; your comment was nothing less than a straw man argument. I didn't say "Constitutional" anywhere, nor did I imply it. I stated unequivocally that it goes against the values of freedom the US was founded on. The DoI does not say "everyone deserves a puppy". Give me a break and please take your straw man argument elsewhere.

pc86 13y ago

At the risk of being pedantic, the Declaration of Independence does not "grant" rights in the same manner that the Bill of Rights does, and really can't be used in the same context when attempting to make a Constitutional argument.

devilshaircut 13y ago
I didn't say that it "granted" anything. I said that in the US was founded on a specific idea of freedom. You're not being pedantic because what you say simply does not apply. Explain where I attempted to make a "Constitutional argument" - I didn't mention the Constitution a single time.
- pc86 13y ago
  I was merely saying that this point: > this freedom falls squarely within the preamble of the US Declaration of Independence whether accurate or not, doesn't matter, because of the DOI isn't any sort of binding document. It can say that every man, woman and child deserve their own puppy, but that's not going to make it any more or less likely to happen.
  - devilshaircut 13y ago
    "Merely" - no; your comment was nothing less than a straw man argument. I didn't say "Constitutional" anywhere, nor did I imply it. I stated unequivocally that it goes against the values of freedom the US was founded on. The DoI does not say "everyone deserves a puppy". Give me a break and please take your straw man argument elsewhere.