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In other words, the basic formula of Greek tragedy is the hubris or outrageous pride overwhelming judgement, leading to deserved disaster. There's an additiona

In other words, the basic formula of Greek tragedy is the hubris or outrageous pride overwhelming judgement, leading to deserved disaster. There's an additional subtext btw of exceeding prudent limits in "hubris."[1] The thing here is that the NSA has acted out of hubris and exceeded prudent limits, and the result will be predictable. The deserved disaster will come from far more routine use of encryption, and this will deny legitimate law enforcement investigations many critical tools. While this is a cost that to some extent will be borne by everyone, it will particularly hit the NSA and law enforcement really hard. [1] See "From Religion to Philosophy" by F. M. Cornford, 1914. Some parts are dated, but the general discussion of partition and nomos/nemesis is very well done.

acqq 13y ago
Thanks for the book recommendation! > The deserved disaster will come It's still hard for me to see that. I don't know any person who started to more encrypt. And the companies will always have to fullfill the requests of the state: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/03/don-t-listen-to-google-and-facebook-the-public-private-surveillance-partnership-is-still-going-strong/284612/ http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/03/don-t-... There's still a lot to be done to induce the significant change.
- einhverfr 13y ago
  > It's still hard for me to see that. If nothing else, criminals will take encryption far more seriously, which is where the real cost comes in from a LEO perspective. > I don't know any person who started to more encrypt. I have started to encrypt more, and new businesses are springing up with more encryption built-in. It's also something which has impacted Efficito's approach to security to some extent. > And the companies will always have to fullfill the requests of the state Sure. However as of now, there is no requirement that they be able to fulfil the requests, so the current struggle is really with coming up with systems where the administrator/cloud provider has no access. This will lead to predictable results, and the next battle will be over whether to require such providers to retain access. To my mind, that's the legal battle we must prepare for.

acqq 13y ago

Thanks for the book recommendation! > The deserved disaster will come It's still hard for me to see that. I don't know any person who started to more encrypt. And the companies will always have to fullfill the requests of the state: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/03/don-t-listen-to-google-and-facebook-the-public-private-surveillance-partnership-is-still-going-strong/284612/ http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/03/don-t-... There's still a lot to be done to induce the significant change.

einhverfr 13y ago
> It's still hard for me to see that. If nothing else, criminals will take encryption far more seriously, which is where the real cost comes in from a LEO perspective. > I don't know any person who started to more encrypt. I have started to encrypt more, and new businesses are springing up with more encryption built-in. It's also something which has impacted Efficito's approach to security to some extent. > And the companies will always have to fullfill the requests of the state Sure. However as of now, there is no requirement that they be able to fulfil the requests, so the current struggle is really with coming up with systems where the administrator/cloud provider has no access. This will lead to predictable results, and the next battle will be over whether to require such providers to retain access. To my mind, that's the legal battle we must prepare for.