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> You don't know Brendan, I don't know Brendan, nobody in previous threads comparing him to fucking racists or the Nazis knows Brendan. I know Brendan. I met
by daeken 13y ago
> You don't know Brendan, I don't know Brendan, nobody in previous threads comparing him to fucking racists or the Nazis knows Brendan.
I know Brendan. I met him on a number of occasions while working at Mozilla and interacted with him on many more. I think the comparison to racism is completely valid. I don't think he's a bad guy (he was always quite cordial with me) but his actions caused harm to a large number of people; I don't think that's okay.
- jmduke 13y agoWhat actions did he take besides donating $1,000 to Prop 8?
- Borogove 13y agoWhat other actions does he need to take? Passing prop 8 harmed people.
- jmduke 13y agoI didn't mean to imply otherwise: the phrasing of but his actions caused harm to a large number of people led me to believe there was something else that occurred of which I was unaware.
- SimHacker 13y agoIt's his inactions that have also caused problems. Refusing to change his beliefs. Refusing to justify his unchanged beliefs. Refusing to explain why he did what he did and what outcomes he intended. Refusing to respond to anyone's valid criticisms and questions. Refusing to apologize, but instead issuing a cynical, verbally acrobatic non-apology apology, that backflips and dances around the burning issues. Refusing to step down after he's caused damage to the Mozilla project.
- tincholio 13y agoHe created Javascript
- intslack 13y agoHow is it valid? Have you talked to him personally about his beliefs? He's offered to share them with anyone he meets in person.
- zorpner 13y agoFortunately for us, we have the opportunity to form our opinion of him by the actions he takes rather than the words he uses.
- intslack 13y agoAgain: Believing that marriage can only be between a man and a woman, because marriage has a religious connotation to them, is not bigotry. It's a stupid fucking belief, and it leads to seperate but equal bullshit, but it's not homophobic on its own.
- gdilla 13y agoExcept all marriages are civil marriages - and the government has to treat all equally. that is all. Your church, temple, or mosque can be as exclusionary and ignorant as they want to be. that's fine, and protected free speech. But the government shouldn't give rights to some and not all (inheritance, consent, tax breaks etc).
- intslack 13y agoMarriage and civil unions embody the same legal rights in the US (at least, in the states that they were created so far), at issue is some people beliefs that marriage as in institution should not be changed. And I don't agree with that, "seperate but equal" is personally unacceptable to me. I'm just trying to explain what his (assumed) beliefs are, and pointing out that his donation and beliefs shouldn't automatically label him as "anti-gay."
- victorhooi 13y agoWell, no, that's the point. There are civil unions, and there are marriages - and if it was simply about "rights" and "benefits", then people wouldn't give a c*ap which group they were in. However, even though they have civil unions (in many countries/states), they also want to redefined marriage. I'm not saying that's wrong or right - that's an argument I won't go into here. However, to try to pretend that this is anything but redefining something is pretty deceptive. Maybe they'll win, and we will redefine marriage. Who knows.