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Pretty terrible situation. As an aside, the link about what happened to Zoe Quinn when she submitted her game, Depression Quest, to Steam Greenlight, is somethi

by comrh 13y ago

Pretty terrible situation. As an aside, the link about what happened to Zoe Quinn when she submitted her game, Depression Quest, to Steam Greenlight, is something I had not heard before. I was blown away by her deceptively simple RPG and to hear about that backlash is rage inducing.

mercurial 13y ago
Unfortunately, you really have a number of extremely vocal, misogynist trolls out there. A particularly disgusting sub-species of the Internet bully, bravely threatening rape and death from behind their keyboard. Ugh. Here is to hoping at least some of them get help and grow out of it.
- voltagex_ 13y ago
  Look at the comments on http://indiestatik.com/2013/12/13/female-game-developers/ http://indiestatik.com/2013/12/13/female-game-developers/ and despair.
  - k__ 13y ago
    well, /v/ is shithole, even for 4chan conditions.
    - Gracana 13y ago
      I think I've heard that exact statement made about every one of 4chan's boards at one time or another.
    - DanBC 13y ago
      Those screen shots are not from 4Chan, but from some other chan using similar software.
      - k__ 13y ago
        but with /v/ users? :(
    - astrange 13y ago
      /v/ hasn't had five-digit post numbers like that since 2005.
  - tbirdz 13y ago
    You really need to consider the source on this. IT's from wizardchan. Just look at the rules: http://wizardchan.org/rules.html http://wizardchan.org/rules.html 1. Do not post about your personal sexual experiences or allude to the possibility that you have any. 2. Do not post about real life social activities or your romantic relationships. 3. Do not disparage, advise against, or show contempt for the celibate, NEET, or reclusive lifestyles. These aren't normal people, and aren't really representative.
    - voltagex_ 13y ago
      I've read this comment a few times. How does that in any way excuse the comments on the article?
      - tbirdz 13y ago
        I wouldn't say it excuses it, but rather it explains it. People (Men, really) who frequent a website aimed at NEET (Not in Education, Employment, or Training), recluses, loners, etc. A site that in their own words: "This site is Wizardchan, an anonymous community for male virgins."[1], and where they have specific "rankings" based on how much of a virgin you are (KV - kissless virgin, HV - hugless virgin, HHV - Handholdless virgin), and "wizard" status based on age, with your level being your age when you were still a virgin - a site where you can get banned for making posts about romantic/sexual activities, social activities, or even just alluding to the fact that you have had sex[2]. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to suggest that these people have some serious problems with women. I also think that the article kind of tries to depict this thing as the norm in the gaming community. But, wizardchan users are not really representative of the gaming community as a whole. Yes, it sucks that she received this abuse from these people who have psychological issues, or other mental health problems (let's not forget the screenshot is from their board dedicated to personal depression), but you can't judge the whole gaming community based off the actions of this community. Now granted, there are a lot of problems with the gaming community in general, but using wizardchan's warped perspective userbase is a very poor example. I think those users are suffering from some serious psychological problems, and need help. And I don't think shaming them about their actions is enough to get them to stop. These people already have no social activity, no romantic partners, and have never even had sex, and for this they place the blame on society, but more specifically on women. Whatever their actions of statements about women in general should be viewed with that in mind, and I don't think there's any way of getting through to them. [1]: http://wizardchan.org/faq.html http://wizardchan.org/faq.html [2]: http://wizardchan.org/rules.html http://wizardchan.org/rules.html
- comrh 13y ago
  I completely agree but there has to be something more to do than just waiting until the day comes they suddenly "get it" that they're being disgusting human beings. I really doubt that time is near. edit: I realize this is basically asking "how do you stop online trolling?" which is pretty hard question.
  - ZirconCode 13y ago
    But the article is pretty much the answer to that question, isn't it? People from enormously different backgrounds came together, they stood in the face of inciting commentary/questions. I imagine that, as with the trolling, it is more difficult to protect your viewpoints in person than online.
- ivanca 13y ago
  If you want them to become decent human beings it would be good to set the example with coherent and decent speaking, i.e. not by calling them "disgusting troll sub-species".
  - chillingeffect 13y ago
    how dare you wish that people who demand empathy practice it themselves?! j/k. seriously. you have basically solved the answer to the universe right above. if people treated each other with respect, even when they don't know who is right and who is wrong, we'd all be better off.
    - mercurial 13y ago
      "Disgusting trolls" is, I think, a fair description of their online persona, as the chief characteristics of their behaviour appears to be sexism, bullying and cowardice. Now, that's not all of who they are, and as human beings, I accept that their actions are symptoms of underlying problems (well-adjusted people don't normally engage in this kind of behaviour), and I wish them to get better, this attitude is toxic to both their victims and themselves.
      - ivanca 13y ago
        Fairness or improving; pick one.

by comrh 13y ago

mercurial 13y ago

Unfortunately, you really have a number of extremely vocal, misogynist trolls out there. A particularly disgusting sub-species of the Internet bully, bravely threatening rape and death from behind their keyboard. Ugh. Here is to hoping at least some of them get help and grow out of it.

voltagex_ 13y ago
Look at the comments on http://indiestatik.com/2013/12/13/female-game-developers/ http://indiestatik.com/2013/12/13/female-game-developers/ and despair.
- k__ 13y ago
  well, /v/ is shithole, even for 4chan conditions.
  - Gracana 13y ago
    I think I've heard that exact statement made about every one of 4chan's boards at one time or another.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    Those screen shots are not from 4Chan, but from some other chan using similar software.
    - k__ 13y ago
      but with /v/ users? :(
  - astrange 13y ago
    /v/ hasn't had five-digit post numbers like that since 2005.
- tbirdz 13y ago
  You really need to consider the source on this. IT's from wizardchan. Just look at the rules: http://wizardchan.org/rules.html http://wizardchan.org/rules.html 1. Do not post about your personal sexual experiences or allude to the possibility that you have any. 2. Do not post about real life social activities or your romantic relationships. 3. Do not disparage, advise against, or show contempt for the celibate, NEET, or reclusive lifestyles. These aren't normal people, and aren't really representative.
  - voltagex_ 13y ago
    I've read this comment a few times. How does that in any way excuse the comments on the article?
    - tbirdz 13y ago
      I wouldn't say it excuses it, but rather it explains it. People (Men, really) who frequent a website aimed at NEET (Not in Education, Employment, or Training), recluses, loners, etc. A site that in their own words: "This site is Wizardchan, an anonymous community for male virgins."[1], and where they have specific "rankings" based on how much of a virgin you are (KV - kissless virgin, HV - hugless virgin, HHV - Handholdless virgin), and "wizard" status based on age, with your level being your age when you were still a virgin - a site where you can get banned for making posts about romantic/sexual activities, social activities, or even just alluding to the fact that you have had sex[2]. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to suggest that these people have some serious problems with women. I also think that the article kind of tries to depict this thing as the norm in the gaming community. But, wizardchan users are not really representative of the gaming community as a whole. Yes, it sucks that she received this abuse from these people who have psychological issues, or other mental health problems (let's not forget the screenshot is from their board dedicated to personal depression), but you can't judge the whole gaming community based off the actions of this community. Now granted, there are a lot of problems with the gaming community in general, but using wizardchan's warped perspective userbase is a very poor example. I think those users are suffering from some serious psychological problems, and need help. And I don't think shaming them about their actions is enough to get them to stop. These people already have no social activity, no romantic partners, and have never even had sex, and for this they place the blame on society, but more specifically on women. Whatever their actions of statements about women in general should be viewed with that in mind, and I don't think there's any way of getting through to them. [1]: http://wizardchan.org/faq.html http://wizardchan.org/faq.html [2]: http://wizardchan.org/rules.html http://wizardchan.org/rules.html
comrh 13y ago
I completely agree but there has to be something more to do than just waiting until the day comes they suddenly "get it" that they're being disgusting human beings. I really doubt that time is near. edit: I realize this is basically asking "how do you stop online trolling?" which is pretty hard question.
- ZirconCode 13y ago
  But the article is pretty much the answer to that question, isn't it? People from enormously different backgrounds came together, they stood in the face of inciting commentary/questions. I imagine that, as with the trolling, it is more difficult to protect your viewpoints in person than online.
ivanca 13y ago
If you want them to become decent human beings it would be good to set the example with coherent and decent speaking, i.e. not by calling them "disgusting troll sub-species".
- chillingeffect 13y ago
  how dare you wish that people who demand empathy practice it themselves?! j/k. seriously. you have basically solved the answer to the universe right above. if people treated each other with respect, even when they don't know who is right and who is wrong, we'd all be better off.
  - mercurial 13y ago
    "Disgusting trolls" is, I think, a fair description of their online persona, as the chief characteristics of their behaviour appears to be sexism, bullying and cowardice. Now, that's not all of who they are, and as human beings, I accept that their actions are symptoms of underlying problems (well-adjusted people don't normally engage in this kind of behaviour), and I wish them to get better, this attitude is toxic to both their victims and themselves.
    - ivanca 13y ago
      Fairness or improving; pick one.