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In addition, the average person that uses Apple's products simply doesn't give a shit about any of this. The numerous non-geeks I know that own Apple products n

In addition, the average person that uses Apple's products simply doesn't give a shit about any of this. The numerous non-geeks I know that own Apple products never mention any of these issues. I don't see how this is relevant at all. Most people in America don't give a shit about Medicaid (e.g.). Does that mean we should just put up with whatever mismanagement occurs? Should we tell people who do feel like taking a stand and demanding more from Medicaid to sit down and stop whining? I know that Medicaid is publicly funded so the comparison breaks down a bit, but all purchasers of Apple products are its "funders" and I think they have a right to demand more. Who cares if non-geeks aren't aware of these issues? Those are exactly the kinds of consumers that need those of us who are familiar with the issues to stand up for them. They aren't aware that they aren't being given a choice (perhaps because they can choose one of several fart apps on the iphone).

absconditus 17y ago
My point is, most people are very happy with their Apple products and simply don't care about these issues. A small number of us would like to see these things changed, but are generally happy with the products we use. Then there is a small group of people, mostly geeks, who feel entitled to everything exactly as they want it. Your analogy is ridiculous. If you don't like Apple products don't buy them. There is no category of product where Apple is the only choice. Apple doesn't even have a large share of the mobile phone market, making the iPhone argument even more pathetic.
- stanleydrew 17y ago
  Your point is well taken. To be sure I don't own any Apple products so I'm not really complaining. I just think that if knowledgeable people don't demand more then nothing changes. And the complacency of 90% of a product's users doesn't really imply that the product isn't flawed, especially if the product's technology is complicated or the users are particularly lazy. Not that those two things are necessarily true in this case, i'm just saying...

absconditus 17y ago

My point is, most people are very happy with their Apple products and simply don't care about these issues. A small number of us would like to see these things changed, but are generally happy with the products we use. Then there is a small group of people, mostly geeks, who feel entitled to everything exactly as they want it. Your analogy is ridiculous. If you don't like Apple products don't buy them. There is no category of product where Apple is the only choice. Apple doesn't even have a large share of the mobile phone market, making the iPhone argument even more pathetic.

stanleydrew 17y ago
Your point is well taken. To be sure I don't own any Apple products so I'm not really complaining. I just think that if knowledgeable people don't demand more then nothing changes. And the complacency of 90% of a product's users doesn't really imply that the product isn't flawed, especially if the product's technology is complicated or the users are particularly lazy. Not that those two things are necessarily true in this case, i'm just saying...