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One aspect that doesn't get mentioned much is recruiting from both sides. As an engineer, if you land a job coding haskell you're pretty much guaranteed to be

by maxcan 13y ago

One aspect that doesn't get mentioned much is recruiting from both sides. As an engineer, if you land a job coding haskell you're pretty much guaranteed to be an environment thats extremely engineering-centric, has minimal technical debt, and is staffed by lots of smart people. usedox.com, alpha heavy, jane street (ocaml but close enough), silk, tsuru, fobo are all exemplary examples of this. anyone of them is an amazing environment and you'll learn a ton. (the first one is my own company, so consider that one with a grain of salt) As an employer of engineers, if you put out a call for haskellers, you'll get a far smaller applicant pool than say ruby, python, java, or c#. But the signal to noise ratio is incomparably higher. Very few mediocre engineers will claim haskell as a skill.

dustingetz 13y ago
Hi. At your company and other Haskell teams that say they hire elite engineers, is an engineer's compensation higher than comparable non-FP shops? Please forgive the bluntness; as a guy who is about halfway down "the road to Haskell", it seems like none of the shops that say they value FP are willing to pay more for it. For me, it's been easier to extract money from a javashop that's starved for talent and just figure out a way to install FP there. DK effect might also be clouding my self valuation.
- maxcan 13y ago
  DK effect? I can only speak to my current company (dox) and Jane Street, where I worked a long time ago. At JSC, comp was above market and everyone was quite happy but they've quadrupled in size since my time so YMMV. As Dox, we are currently bootstrapping off of a small round and everyone is working well below market in terms of cash but with commensurately higher equity. we will be raising a round later this spring and intend to roughly match or exceed comparable shops when that round closes. we've been completely transparent about that to the entire team as they've all taken pay cuts to work with us a this early stage, something we respect and are extremely appreciative of. If immediate salary is a principle concern, probably best to look at JSC, Stan Chart, or Barcap rather than a place like us or one of the other startups.
  - dllthomas 13y ago
    "DK effect?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

by maxcan 13y ago

dustingetz 13y ago

Hi. At your company and other Haskell teams that say they hire elite engineers, is an engineer's compensation higher than comparable non-FP shops? Please forgive the bluntness; as a guy who is about halfway down "the road to Haskell", it seems like none of the shops that say they value FP are willing to pay more for it. For me, it's been easier to extract money from a javashop that's starved for talent and just figure out a way to install FP there. DK effect might also be clouding my self valuation.

maxcan 13y ago
DK effect? I can only speak to my current company (dox) and Jane Street, where I worked a long time ago. At JSC, comp was above market and everyone was quite happy but they've quadrupled in size since my time so YMMV. As Dox, we are currently bootstrapping off of a small round and everyone is working well below market in terms of cash but with commensurately higher equity. we will be raising a round later this spring and intend to roughly match or exceed comparable shops when that round closes. we've been completely transparent about that to the entire team as they've all taken pay cuts to work with us a this early stage, something we respect and are extremely appreciative of. If immediate salary is a principle concern, probably best to look at JSC, Stan Chart, or Barcap rather than a place like us or one of the other startups.
- dllthomas 13y ago
  "DK effect?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect