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I walk 4 miles a day (to and from work) in the city. The crime (of all sorts) is mainly in the really bad areas. 14th and Broadway is a somewhat higher crime

by e40 13y ago

I walk 4 miles a day (to and from work) in the city. The crime (of all sorts) is mainly in the really bad areas. 14th and Broadway is a somewhat higher crime area because it's a major bus transfer point (I got this from the crime maps that OPD put out). Lots of people on the other side of the hills (Concord, Moraga, Walnut Creek) have this idea that Oakland is a really scary place. I think it's partly racial (because of the higher percentage of African Americans here) and partly a PR issue (the 24/7 news cycle only presents sensational items). I've lived in the area since 2001. I lived in Berkeley for the 13 years prior. I had more problems with crime there, and I was fairly close to campus. People don't normally think of Berkeley as a high crime place, either. The most dangerous thing I deal with on a daily basis? Cars and bikes. I always cross the street legally, but both cars and bicycles have issues when it comes to respecting pedestrians. I've even seen a police car not yield for a pregnant woman pushing a stroller in a cross walk! He cruised by her within inches. I was dumbfounded. She was in the middle of a 4 lane (2 each way) road.

elliptic 13y ago
<< Lots of people on the other side of the hills (Concord, Moraga, Walnut Creek) have this idea that Oakland is a really scary place. I think it's partly racial (because of the higher percentage of African Americans here) and partly a PR issue (the 24/7 news cycle only presents sensational items) >> Lots of people have the idea that there is a lot of violent crime in Oakland because, well, there is a lot of violent crime in Oakland. No need to bring race into it.
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dragonwriter 13y ago
> Lots of people on the other side of the hills (Concord, Moraga, Walnut Creek) have this idea that Oakland is a really scary place. I think it's partly racial (because of the higher percentage of African Americans here) and partly a PR issue (the 24/7 news cycle only presents sensational items). Those may each be part of the issue, but I think that a big part of the issue is the actual crime statistics that show that, indeed, Oakland is, in fact, a dangerous place by comparison to those other places. I mean, there's something about Oakland having a little over 3 times the population but a little under 20 times the number of violent crimes as Concord in 2012 [1]. [1] http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Crime-up-in-Oakland-much-of-Bay-Area-4573391.php http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Crime-up-in-Oakland-much...
- dllthomas 13y ago
  Crime's been down since 2012 (though still high). http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Oakland-sees-crime-rate-drop-in-2013-5109676.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Oakland-sees... I hear that Concord's gotten worse since, as well, but I don't have a good source for that.
- e40 13y ago
  But all parts of the city are not the same. The very high crime areas, no where near the downtown, are what skews the stats. Downtown Oakland is no less safe than a lot of other cities. Certain parts of Oakland are a lot less safe than the worst parts of many other cities. So, do you avoid Oakland or avoid the bad parts of Oakland? I, personally, just avoid the bad parts.
tw268 13y ago
African Americans statistically do commit more crime than other American ethnic groups, so if you say bad things about high-crime areas then you'll end up sounding racist. If you ever want to generate some mental discomfort, look up the demographics of the highest crime cities in America.
throneaway 13y ago
Ethnic demographics and crime rates are correlated, so it would be a mistake to dismiss concerns over crime in an area as a "race thing". People may have legitimate concerns about an area not necessarily driven by racial animus in Oakland, Baltimore, Detroit, DC, Atlanta, and etc. Because of the correlation between crime and demographics, it might be tempting to publicly call out concerns about high crime neighborhoods as examples of racism, but I still wouldn't check your iPhone on the street at night in Oakland.
- dllthomas 13y ago
  I regularly check my phone on the street at night in Oakland and have had precisely zero issues. Of course, I'm also large and male and in one of the nicer areas of Oakland, and I still make a point to keep my head about me (it's a city...).
jessedhillon 13y ago
For your one mention of race in 200 words -- expect a flood of responses either chastising you for unnecessarily bringing up race politics, or letting you know that it's actually just fine for it to be about race. ~~an Oakland resident
dllthomas 13y ago
I think a big issue is that Oakland is way bigger than people think, especially geographically - it covers more land than SF - and there's a lot of diversity. Some regions are really bad. Some regions are ritzy. There's plenty of everything between. But the news doesn't differentiate well between the different parts of Oakland, so when you hear over and over that there was crime in Oakland and you're sufficiently unfamiliar with it that your model has it as an undifferentiated blob, and you think that blob is smaller than it is, of course you think anything about Oakland is scary.
- thrownaway2424 13y ago
  Yep, it's all about drawing lines around things. Piedmont has little crime, but it's encircled by Oakland. Should it just be lumped in with Oakland statistically? Speaking of which, when I get around to running for mayor of Oakland, I'm going to have only 2 planks: 1) Charging the people of Piedmont $50 to drive out of Piedmont. 2) Divesting "Oakland" of almost all of its real estate, while retaining all of its civic debts, then letting the remnant entity of "Oakland" just go bankrupt. I think this is going to be a very popular platform!
  - dllthomas 13y ago
    Well, I thought it was funny.

by e40 13y ago

elliptic 13y ago

<< Lots of people on the other side of the hills (Concord, Moraga, Walnut Creek) have this idea that Oakland is a really scary place. I think it's partly racial (because of the higher percentage of African Americans here) and partly a PR issue (the 24/7 news cycle only presents sensational items) >> Lots of people have the idea that there is a lot of violent crime in Oakland because, well, there is a lot of violent crime in Oakland. No need to bring race into it.

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dragonwriter 13y ago

> Lots of people on the other side of the hills (Concord, Moraga, Walnut Creek) have this idea that Oakland is a really scary place. I think it's partly racial (because of the higher percentage of African Americans here) and partly a PR issue (the 24/7 news cycle only presents sensational items). Those may each be part of the issue, but I think that a big part of the issue is the actual crime statistics that show that, indeed, Oakland is, in fact, a dangerous place by comparison to those other places. I mean, there's something about Oakland having a little over 3 times the population but a little under 20 times the number of violent crimes as Concord in 2012 [1]. [1] http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Crime-up-in-Oakland-much-of-Bay-Area-4573391.php http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Crime-up-in-Oakland-much...

dllthomas 13y ago
Crime's been down since 2012 (though still high). http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Oakland-sees-crime-rate-drop-in-2013-5109676.php http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Oakland-sees... I hear that Concord's gotten worse since, as well, but I don't have a good source for that.
e40 13y ago
But all parts of the city are not the same. The very high crime areas, no where near the downtown, are what skews the stats. Downtown Oakland is no less safe than a lot of other cities. Certain parts of Oakland are a lot less safe than the worst parts of many other cities. So, do you avoid Oakland or avoid the bad parts of Oakland? I, personally, just avoid the bad parts.

tw268 13y ago

African Americans statistically do commit more crime than other American ethnic groups, so if you say bad things about high-crime areas then you'll end up sounding racist. If you ever want to generate some mental discomfort, look up the demographics of the highest crime cities in America.

throneaway 13y ago

Ethnic demographics and crime rates are correlated, so it would be a mistake to dismiss concerns over crime in an area as a "race thing". People may have legitimate concerns about an area not necessarily driven by racial animus in Oakland, Baltimore, Detroit, DC, Atlanta, and etc. Because of the correlation between crime and demographics, it might be tempting to publicly call out concerns about high crime neighborhoods as examples of racism, but I still wouldn't check your iPhone on the street at night in Oakland.

dllthomas 13y ago
I regularly check my phone on the street at night in Oakland and have had precisely zero issues. Of course, I'm also large and male and in one of the nicer areas of Oakland, and I still make a point to keep my head about me (it's a city...).

jessedhillon 13y ago

For your one mention of race in 200 words -- expect a flood of responses either chastising you for unnecessarily bringing up race politics, or letting you know that it's actually just fine for it to be about race. ~~an Oakland resident

dllthomas 13y ago

I think a big issue is that Oakland is way bigger than people think, especially geographically - it covers more land than SF - and there's a lot of diversity. Some regions are really bad. Some regions are ritzy. There's plenty of everything between. But the news doesn't differentiate well between the different parts of Oakland, so when you hear over and over that there was crime in Oakland and you're sufficiently unfamiliar with it that your model has it as an undifferentiated blob, and you think that blob is smaller than it is, of course you think anything about Oakland is scary.

thrownaway2424 13y ago
Yep, it's all about drawing lines around things. Piedmont has little crime, but it's encircled by Oakland. Should it just be lumped in with Oakland statistically? Speaking of which, when I get around to running for mayor of Oakland, I'm going to have only 2 planks: 1) Charging the people of Piedmont $50 to drive out of Piedmont. 2) Divesting "Oakland" of almost all of its real estate, while retaining all of its civic debts, then letting the remnant entity of "Oakland" just go bankrupt. I think this is going to be a very popular platform!
- dllthomas 13y ago
  Well, I thought it was funny.