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It is not rare. I'm not putting the poster you are replying to down in any way when I say his sentiment is widely shared, and widely commented on. I have no id

by RogerL 13y ago

It is not rare. I'm not putting the poster you are replying to down in any way when I say his sentiment is widely shared, and widely commented on. I have no idea, really, what is 'acceptable' to post here. There is no informative FAQ, there are no examples, there is no guidance coming from the owners, and so on. Every time I post I then watch my karma to see if I am being voted up or down. But I don't even know if that is measuring what I think it measures. Would I see it go down prior to a hell ban? (btw: we all call it 'hell ban' - does that not convey the frustration and dislike of this feature) I don't know. It is all just a fog of assumptions. As you post and read here you start to pick up some of the acquired wisdom. I have mixed feelings about posting here. Fault my personality if you want, but I care somewhat if I get banned or not. Certainly, if my posting style is likely to get me banned then I don't want to waste my time posting here. So, I watch, and wonder, and fumble about. It's not nice.

dang 13y ago
What I meant was that I got a meaningful emotional signal from hueving's comment which I usually don't get when I read complaints about HN banning. That's rare, in my experience, and helpful. People can find out why they were banned by emailing us. That's been true for a long time. Also true is that we routinely unban them as long as they give us reason to believe that they won't keep doing whatever it was. What I do think is that we need a better, finer-grained, more proactive feedback mechanism for informing people when their comment crosses the line. If we get that right, it should not only assuage the hurt feelings we're talking about, but improve the quality of the comment threads too. But this is harder than it sounds. HN has some specific conditions, and we're not going to do anything that violates those. We're also not going to transplant any system that has worked well on another site—systems don't transplant. So what we are going to do first is think about this for a while.
- stefantalpalaru 13y ago
  That's your problem right there: you take decisions based on emotions and feelings so that's what you value in a discussion. This is wrong and you should listen to reason instead.
  - dang 13y ago
    I have emotions, but made no decision based on them. What I said we'd do is think. In my view, emotion and reason need one another to function properly, especially in human situations and probably anywhere.

by RogerL 13y ago

dang 13y ago

What I meant was that I got a meaningful emotional signal from hueving's comment which I usually don't get when I read complaints about HN banning. That's rare, in my experience, and helpful. People can find out why they were banned by emailing us. That's been true for a long time. Also true is that we routinely unban them as long as they give us reason to believe that they won't keep doing whatever it was. What I do think is that we need a better, finer-grained, more proactive feedback mechanism for informing people when their comment crosses the line. If we get that right, it should not only assuage the hurt feelings we're talking about, but improve the quality of the comment threads too. But this is harder than it sounds. HN has some specific conditions, and we're not going to do anything that violates those. We're also not going to transplant any system that has worked well on another site—systems don't transplant. So what we are going to do first is think about this for a while.

stefantalpalaru 13y ago
That's your problem right there: you take decisions based on emotions and feelings so that's what you value in a discussion. This is wrong and you should listen to reason instead.
- dang 13y ago
  I have emotions, but made no decision based on them. What I said we'd do is think. In my view, emotion and reason need one another to function properly, especially in human situations and probably anywhere.