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> And shouldn't he have the right to hold those opinions, offensive as they may be, without worrying about their effect on his career? Since you are bringing t

> And shouldn't he have the right to hold those opinions, offensive as they may be, without worrying about their effect on his career? Since you are bringing this to the table, let's turn the question around: Should he? Why? I agree that he should have the right to hold an opinion, but what earns him the right not to have his public exhibition of it affect his career?

Jach 13y ago
If public outrage becomes so effective at creating a policy to not hire people with certain opinions, and to purge people who are discovered to hold certain opinions, indeed purging people from entire professional fields to which they may have devoted significant portions of their lives mastering, then we are condemning those people to a kind of economic death. This is only marginally better than actually condemning them to death (which doesn't seem beyond some of the "die x-scum die" types).
intslack 13y ago
You're esentially asking why he shouldn't be publically bullied out of a position in which he's the most qualified because of his (assumed) belief that marriage can only be between a man and a woman (a belief that the majority Californians who voted in 2008 also held.) I don't agree with that belief, but the comments here and around the web have been absolutely disgusting: comparing him to the KKK and the Nazis, claiming he hates gays, calling him a bigot, etc. More likely, his belief stems from ignorance instead of hate or bigotry. Why shouldn't the public exhibition of his opinion affect his career? Because people should be taking the moral high ground and empathize in a way that Eich obviously didn't when he made that donation. Perhaps, instead of shitposting on HN or parading around Twitter about his (assumed) opinions when people haven't actually met Eich, they should reach out and offer their perspective by sending him a personal e-mail detailing how his actions have harmed people. He might even see it your way and change his deeply held belief.
- boomlinde 13y ago
  > You're esentially asking why he shouldn't be publically bullied Read again. I am asking why his public opinion shouldn't affect his career. > Because people should be taking the moral high ground and empathize in a way that Eich obviously didn't when he made that donation. As far as I'm concerned his position affords him wealth and political influence in the organization, so his opinions, especially when they are not in line with those of the organization he represents, reasonably will affect his career, as much as they will affect the public opinion on Mozilla. Empathizing with him and calling for his resignation are not mutually exclusive.

Jach 13y ago

If public outrage becomes so effective at creating a policy to not hire people with certain opinions, and to purge people who are discovered to hold certain opinions, indeed purging people from entire professional fields to which they may have devoted significant portions of their lives mastering, then we are condemning those people to a kind of economic death. This is only marginally better than actually condemning them to death (which doesn't seem beyond some of the "die x-scum die" types).

intslack 13y ago

You're esentially asking why he shouldn't be publically bullied out of a position in which he's the most qualified because of his (assumed) belief that marriage can only be between a man and a woman (a belief that the majority Californians who voted in 2008 also held.) I don't agree with that belief, but the comments here and around the web have been absolutely disgusting: comparing him to the KKK and the Nazis, claiming he hates gays, calling him a bigot, etc. More likely, his belief stems from ignorance instead of hate or bigotry. Why shouldn't the public exhibition of his opinion affect his career? Because people should be taking the moral high ground and empathize in a way that Eich obviously didn't when he made that donation. Perhaps, instead of shitposting on HN or parading around Twitter about his (assumed) opinions when people haven't actually met Eich, they should reach out and offer their perspective by sending him a personal e-mail detailing how his actions have harmed people. He might even see it your way and change his deeply held belief.

boomlinde 13y ago
> You're esentially asking why he shouldn't be publically bullied Read again. I am asking why his public opinion shouldn't affect his career. > Because people should be taking the moral high ground and empathize in a way that Eich obviously didn't when he made that donation. As far as I'm concerned his position affords him wealth and political influence in the organization, so his opinions, especially when they are not in line with those of the organization he represents, reasonably will affect his career, as much as they will affect the public opinion on Mozilla. Empathizing with him and calling for his resignation are not mutually exclusive.