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I'm saying that, while that might fly as CTO or any other role of the organization, CEO is a role analagous to President. The personal views of the chief execut

I'm saying that, while that might fly as CTO or any other role of the organization, CEO is a role analagous to President. The personal views of the chief executive very much influence the entire organization, and therefore it should not be surprising that their personal life becomes part of their professional one.

tinalumfoil 13y ago
Considering Gay Marriage and Programming are about as far away as 2 issues can get, I really doubt it will be a problem. They don't want to alienate anyone against gay marriage or anyone gay. Since this isn't possible because of how sensitive everyone is, they just chose the best person for the job.
azakai 13y ago
Note the the Mozilla Corporation is controlled by the Mozilla Foundation. So the position of CEO of Mozilla is in fact under that of the chairperson of the foundation. If something is analogous to "president", it would be the latter one (held by Mitchell Baker), not the CEO.
- thirsteh 13y ago
  I would say the president of the foundation (/the board) is analogous to the electoral college :)
  - bzbarsky 13y ago
    No, not quite. For example, at Mozilla-wide gatherings (e.g the summit that happened last fall) the CEO of the Mozilla Corporation is the one who typically gives some sort of talk about general strategy, market positioning, product plans, but Mitchell Baker is the one who gives a talk on overarching organizational goals: things like what Mozilla stands for and which issues Mozilla should be trying to address as an organization. And so it is in day-to-day operation. Mitchell sets the "moral tone" much more than the CEO does; the CEO's largely involved with executing the Corporation's strategy. There is no real analogy to the US or other national government I know of here; the organizational setups are very different. I've been trying to think of something that would be somewhat similar, and so far all I've got is Moses and Aaron in the Book of Exodus, with Mitchell as Moses and the CEO as Aaron. Not a perfect analogy, but way closer than anything involving a President.
yeukhon 13y ago
You seem to downplay politics. If both Senate and House pass a bill on gay marriage with absolute majority (say overwhelmingly over 80%), a President who chooses to veto such bill is to seek political suicide. Congress can then veto the President's veto. If Brendan Eich today discriminate gay employees or volunteers he will be under a public crisis and he will lose his hard work. Please put down the worry. If you keep on worrying, you will never stop. Anyone who disagree should be ready to answer questions like "what if he's against abortion? against H1B visa? against tax payer money to pay for college tuition, whether people should live with free software only or not?". You will never be able to find anyone who will agree with you on everything.
- thirsteh 13y ago
  > If Brendan Eich today discriminate gay employees or volunteers he will be under a public crisis and he will lose his hard work. The reason why he is receiving so much criticism right now is that a lot of people don't think the date of the donation makes any difference. He should not be CEO of an "inclusive" organization.
  - yeukhon 13y ago
    You are arguing the wrong thing. Here we are telling you to ignore his personal opinion. He is not going to commit a career scucide. If a President wants to get re-elected he will not veto on a bill that is overwhelmingly supported. If most Mozillians believe in marriage equality then Eich will not oppress the majority opinion and discriminate the gays as CEO. He can continue to do so as a citizen of US and as a resident of California. > He should not be CEO of an "inclusive" organization. You will get never that inclusiveness. Never. I am sure among the gays there are people who are pro-life over pro-choice and thus "discriminate" those who believe they have the right to freely choose what to do with their fetus. Supposed Eich is pro-gay but pro-life. Now he will be seen as non-inclusive by the pro-choice community. You are looking for someone who share the same view as you and those agree with you. What about those who disagree with you?
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tinalumfoil 13y ago

Considering Gay Marriage and Programming are about as far away as 2 issues can get, I really doubt it will be a problem. They don't want to alienate anyone against gay marriage or anyone gay. Since this isn't possible because of how sensitive everyone is, they just chose the best person for the job.

azakai 13y ago

Note the the Mozilla Corporation is controlled by the Mozilla Foundation. So the position of CEO of Mozilla is in fact under that of the chairperson of the foundation. If something is analogous to "president", it would be the latter one (held by Mitchell Baker), not the CEO.

thirsteh 13y ago
I would say the president of the foundation (/the board) is analogous to the electoral college :)
- bzbarsky 13y ago
  No, not quite. For example, at Mozilla-wide gatherings (e.g the summit that happened last fall) the CEO of the Mozilla Corporation is the one who typically gives some sort of talk about general strategy, market positioning, product plans, but Mitchell Baker is the one who gives a talk on overarching organizational goals: things like what Mozilla stands for and which issues Mozilla should be trying to address as an organization. And so it is in day-to-day operation. Mitchell sets the "moral tone" much more than the CEO does; the CEO's largely involved with executing the Corporation's strategy. There is no real analogy to the US or other national government I know of here; the organizational setups are very different. I've been trying to think of something that would be somewhat similar, and so far all I've got is Moses and Aaron in the Book of Exodus, with Mitchell as Moses and the CEO as Aaron. Not a perfect analogy, but way closer than anything involving a President.

yeukhon 13y ago

You seem to downplay politics. If both Senate and House pass a bill on gay marriage with absolute majority (say overwhelmingly over 80%), a President who chooses to veto such bill is to seek political suicide. Congress can then veto the President's veto. If Brendan Eich today discriminate gay employees or volunteers he will be under a public crisis and he will lose his hard work. Please put down the worry. If you keep on worrying, you will never stop. Anyone who disagree should be ready to answer questions like "what if he's against abortion? against H1B visa? against tax payer money to pay for college tuition, whether people should live with free software only or not?". You will never be able to find anyone who will agree with you on everything.

thirsteh 13y ago
> If Brendan Eich today discriminate gay employees or volunteers he will be under a public crisis and he will lose his hard work. The reason why he is receiving so much criticism right now is that a lot of people don't think the date of the donation makes any difference. He should not be CEO of an "inclusive" organization.
- yeukhon 13y ago
  You are arguing the wrong thing. Here we are telling you to ignore his personal opinion. He is not going to commit a career scucide. If a President wants to get re-elected he will not veto on a bill that is overwhelmingly supported. If most Mozillians believe in marriage equality then Eich will not oppress the majority opinion and discriminate the gays as CEO. He can continue to do so as a citizen of US and as a resident of California. > He should not be CEO of an "inclusive" organization. You will get never that inclusiveness. Never. I am sure among the gays there are people who are pro-life over pro-choice and thus "discriminate" those who believe they have the right to freely choose what to do with their fetus. Supposed Eich is pro-gay but pro-life. Now he will be seen as non-inclusive by the pro-choice community. You are looking for someone who share the same view as you and those agree with you. What about those who disagree with you?
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