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If you'll permit me to put words into your mouth, I think that you're expressing your disdain for this mindset. Currency needs to be stable in order to have lo

If you'll permit me to put words into your mouth, I think that you're expressing your disdain for this mindset. Currency needs to be stable in order to have long-term prospects. The dollar is stable because everyone believes that the dollar will be around in some shape or form in 10, 20, 50, 100 years. I'm currently investing in a retirement fund whose outlook is focused on 2055. Many other people are doing the same. If you don't have this stability, your currency isn't really a medium of exchange; it's a commodity to be speculated on. And, well, as long as you GTFO of the commodity, it's perfectly fine if its value plummets or goes to zero. But something of this form will never become a currency because everyone thinks like this. It's just going to be a way for smart people to separate fools from their money.

tptacek 13y ago
The root comment on this thread wasn't taking advantage of the instability of Auroracoin; it was taking advantage of a gold rush of other opportunists and the certitude (reasonable, and, as it turns out, correct) that the Auroracoin experiment would fail, leaving anyone who bought and held the instruments holding the bag. In other words, a pump-and-dump scheme.
- compare 13y ago
  Is it similarly immoral for an investor to put money into a startup that they "know" (highly suspect) will fail? No one knows what will happen, even if they claim they do. The options aren't only "know it will go up" or "know it will go down". That was my point that you were so dismissive of.
  - tptacek 13y ago
    That's an interesting and, I think, complicated question. It's easy to uncomplicate it though; for instance, posit that the "investor" not only "invests" but also talks the "investment" up. Deliberate deception for profit has another name: fraud.
    - omegaham 13y ago
      I think that's what a lot of these alternate cryptocurrencies are doing. People get in early and hope that there are enough fools who get in late to sell their massive holdings to them. Then these same people try to do the same to other people down the line. Eventually, it becomes clear that there are no more people to buy into the alternate currency, and the entire thing shits the bed. I'm not sure where you draw the line between a "currency" like this and Bitcoin, but I think it's important to look at what the bulk of transactions are for. Bitcoin, despite rampant speculation, is still used for some things - avoiding Paypal, drug transactions, etc. Litecoin is more on the speculation side, but still has a fair amount of use. Dogecoin has its use on Reddit. But a lot of these other coins are only for speculation, and it's basically gambling to put money into them and hope that you get out before everyone goes "Well, that's all, folks! We're done here!"

tptacek 13y ago

The root comment on this thread wasn't taking advantage of the instability of Auroracoin; it was taking advantage of a gold rush of other opportunists and the certitude (reasonable, and, as it turns out, correct) that the Auroracoin experiment would fail, leaving anyone who bought and held the instruments holding the bag. In other words, a pump-and-dump scheme.

compare 13y ago
Is it similarly immoral for an investor to put money into a startup that they "know" (highly suspect) will fail? No one knows what will happen, even if they claim they do. The options aren't only "know it will go up" or "know it will go down". That was my point that you were so dismissive of.
- tptacek 13y ago
  That's an interesting and, I think, complicated question. It's easy to uncomplicate it though; for instance, posit that the "investor" not only "invests" but also talks the "investment" up. Deliberate deception for profit has another name: fraud.
  - omegaham 13y ago
    I think that's what a lot of these alternate cryptocurrencies are doing. People get in early and hope that there are enough fools who get in late to sell their massive holdings to them. Then these same people try to do the same to other people down the line. Eventually, it becomes clear that there are no more people to buy into the alternate currency, and the entire thing shits the bed. I'm not sure where you draw the line between a "currency" like this and Bitcoin, but I think it's important to look at what the bulk of transactions are for. Bitcoin, despite rampant speculation, is still used for some things - avoiding Paypal, drug transactions, etc. Litecoin is more on the speculation side, but still has a fair amount of use. Dogecoin has its use on Reddit. But a lot of these other coins are only for speculation, and it's basically gambling to put money into them and hope that you get out before everyone goes "Well, that's all, folks! We're done here!"