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> But to be honest, if somebody waived $2b in my face I'd take it and skip off to a comfortable retirement in Malta without giving two shits about the community

> But to be honest, if somebody waived $2b in my face I'd take it and skip off to a comfortable retirement in Malta without giving two shits about the community that supported it in the beginning. Would you? Really? It is my understanding the Oculus folks were working on that partly for fun, partly because they have a purpose (the purpose being "VR gaming would be soo cool!"). Their idea of a "comfortable retirement" may very well be to continue working on the Rift. I would also be surprised if they didn't care at all about the community. Seriously, what would you do if you won $2b tomorrow? I know I wouldn't retire in Malta or such, because it would quickly bore me to death. I would need to do something, and I suspect, so do you.

bane 13y ago
Absolutely. I wouldn't even look back. I have plenty of other things to occupy my time that isn't work. Painting, writing, photography, music, and the list goes on forever. Freed of the daily grind I would nothing but things I expect no return on simply for the pleasure of it. I'd probably even give away the output of those activities for nothing.
- nightski 13y ago
  Wow I am sorry that you enjoy your life's work so little. Maybe you should do something about that? I couldn't imagine a life where I was not stoked to do what I do every day.
  - rfrey 13y ago
    Wow, I am sorry that your interests are so narrow. Maybe you should do something about that? I couldn't imagine a life where there was only one thing available that would fulfill me.
    - nightski 13y ago
      Who said my interests were narrow? I enjoy a multitude of hobbies including hiking, biking, homebrewing, reading, cooking/grilling, etc... I just said that it is a shame you do not enjoy your daily work (i.e. the grind as you call it).
      - bane 13y ago
        So if you had a billion dollars sloshing around in your bank account...and you could do the things that interested you the most, it would be having a job to go to? I'm not knocking that, I know lots of people who hit retirement and literally don't know what to do with themselves. So work gives their day structure and meaning. I'm not one of those people. For me, work gets in the way of what I want to do. I personally cannot conceive of a job, working for any company (my own included) or any other person or group of people, that I'd rather do than those things.
        nightski 13y ago
        First of all, I don't have a job. I run my own consulting business that does very well. I don't think I could ever have a job working for someone else ever again. That is my entire point, that I keep getting downvoted on like it even matters. That what I do today is the same thing that I would do if I had a billion dollars. That is I'd be working in technology (specifically software). I might use that money to build ideas faster but it really is what I am the most passionate about. I feel it is the same for the Occulus Rift guys at the moment. Because if you aren't passionate about what you spend your daily life doing (and consider it a grind) what is the point?
        bane 13y ago
        I'm not going to make any value judgment on how much fulfillment you get out of working for your customers. But you're getting downvoted probably because you don't understand that, as a consultant, you have a job, and you work for your customers. Everybody who does work has a boss of some sort. If being a consultant is what you'd be happy to do in perpetuity, even in lieu of retirement, more power to you. The OR guys also now have a master. Facebook. Ultimately, their reporting chain is to Zuck and then to the board and then to the FB shareholders. They might feel really passionate about what they're doing, but it's not like they don't have jobs.
  - mikeash 13y ago
    I'd rather be stoked to do what I do every day and have $2 billion in the bank than be stoked but not have a massive pile of cash. It's not as if there's only one thing in life that I could possibly enjoy.
    - nightski 13y ago
      A strawman. I never stated this. Merely was stating that if you consider your daily profession a "grind" it might not be the one for you.
      - mikeash 13y ago
        "The daily grind" doesn't mean it's unpleasant, it simply means that you have to do it in order to e.g. continue eating.
- loup-vaillant 13y ago
  Ah, so you would do something. Okay.
  - bane 13y ago
    Well yeah, I wouldn't just stare off into space till my heart stops functioning.
  - mbrameld 13y ago
    I didn't see him say anywhere he wouldn't do something, only that he would retire to Malta.
- vinceguidry 13y ago
  What if you wanted to do something bigger? Like, say, design a next-generation VR platform?
  - bane 13y ago
    Why is that bigger? I can already instantaneously communicate with whomever I wish anywhere on or near the planet...cheaply or for essentially free. To play games? I love gaming as much as the next guy, but at the end of the day it's just a toy.
    - loup-vaillant 13y ago
      > at the end of the day it's just a toy. I'd say VR headsets are as much of a toy as Otto Lilienthal's hang gliders. As such, sure, they won't do much more than cool games. But the future is obvious: they're a first step into the Matrix, and from there to fully fledged Mind Uploading. (It may not help us develop the necessary technology —though it may help us figure out crucial neurological facts. But it will give us a glimpse of what is to come.) Not to mention, VR will probably help us get to AR, which will surely have an even bigger impact. At this point, we're not looking at a toy any more, but at a Prophecy.
    - vinceguidry 13y ago
      It's bigger because it requires more than your own efforts. One person can draw, paint, make music all they want and never have to interact with others at all, and these were the sorts of things you were saying you'd do in retirement. But you couldn't move to Malta and make a next-generation VR platform. You'd need funding, facilities, people to take care of managing these things. That's what I meant by bigger.
      - bane 13y ago
        Ahh, bigger as in "involves more people" rather than bigger as in "moral crusade to change humanity". Yeah, no thanks. Once I get the construction crew out of my retirement home, I'd like to deal with as few people as humanly possible. I don't even like the social interaction of dealing with cashiers, I love the self service lines. If I hit on a retirement hobby that requires more people, I'm sure I'll always just be able to just form a company and hire people to do the work with my swimming pool full of money.
charlieflowers 13y ago
Weird. When I ask myself this question (as I do often), I don't usually get such a strong answer from myself. But my self just said, "I would work on VR." Fascinating.

bane 13y ago

Absolutely. I wouldn't even look back. I have plenty of other things to occupy my time that isn't work. Painting, writing, photography, music, and the list goes on forever. Freed of the daily grind I would nothing but things I expect no return on simply for the pleasure of it. I'd probably even give away the output of those activities for nothing.

nightski 13y ago
Wow I am sorry that you enjoy your life's work so little. Maybe you should do something about that? I couldn't imagine a life where I was not stoked to do what I do every day.
- rfrey 13y ago
  Wow, I am sorry that your interests are so narrow. Maybe you should do something about that? I couldn't imagine a life where there was only one thing available that would fulfill me.
  - nightski 13y ago
    Who said my interests were narrow? I enjoy a multitude of hobbies including hiking, biking, homebrewing, reading, cooking/grilling, etc... I just said that it is a shame you do not enjoy your daily work (i.e. the grind as you call it).
    - bane 13y ago
      So if you had a billion dollars sloshing around in your bank account...and you could do the things that interested you the most, it would be having a job to go to? I'm not knocking that, I know lots of people who hit retirement and literally don't know what to do with themselves. So work gives their day structure and meaning. I'm not one of those people. For me, work gets in the way of what I want to do. I personally cannot conceive of a job, working for any company (my own included) or any other person or group of people, that I'd rather do than those things.
      - nightski 13y ago
        First of all, I don't have a job. I run my own consulting business that does very well. I don't think I could ever have a job working for someone else ever again. That is my entire point, that I keep getting downvoted on like it even matters. That what I do today is the same thing that I would do if I had a billion dollars. That is I'd be working in technology (specifically software). I might use that money to build ideas faster but it really is what I am the most passionate about. I feel it is the same for the Occulus Rift guys at the moment. Because if you aren't passionate about what you spend your daily life doing (and consider it a grind) what is the point?
        bane 13y ago
        I'm not going to make any value judgment on how much fulfillment you get out of working for your customers. But you're getting downvoted probably because you don't understand that, as a consultant, you have a job, and you work for your customers. Everybody who does work has a boss of some sort. If being a consultant is what you'd be happy to do in perpetuity, even in lieu of retirement, more power to you. The OR guys also now have a master. Facebook. Ultimately, their reporting chain is to Zuck and then to the board and then to the FB shareholders. They might feel really passionate about what they're doing, but it's not like they don't have jobs.
- mikeash 13y ago
  I'd rather be stoked to do what I do every day and have $2 billion in the bank than be stoked but not have a massive pile of cash. It's not as if there's only one thing in life that I could possibly enjoy.
  - nightski 13y ago
    A strawman. I never stated this. Merely was stating that if you consider your daily profession a "grind" it might not be the one for you.
    - mikeash 13y ago
      "The daily grind" doesn't mean it's unpleasant, it simply means that you have to do it in order to e.g. continue eating.
loup-vaillant 13y ago
Ah, so you would do something. Okay.
- bane 13y ago
  Well yeah, I wouldn't just stare off into space till my heart stops functioning.
- mbrameld 13y ago
  I didn't see him say anywhere he wouldn't do something, only that he would retire to Malta.
vinceguidry 13y ago
What if you wanted to do something bigger? Like, say, design a next-generation VR platform?
- bane 13y ago
  Why is that bigger? I can already instantaneously communicate with whomever I wish anywhere on or near the planet...cheaply or for essentially free. To play games? I love gaming as much as the next guy, but at the end of the day it's just a toy.
  - loup-vaillant 13y ago
    > at the end of the day it's just a toy. I'd say VR headsets are as much of a toy as Otto Lilienthal's hang gliders. As such, sure, they won't do much more than cool games. But the future is obvious: they're a first step into the Matrix, and from there to fully fledged Mind Uploading. (It may not help us develop the necessary technology —though it may help us figure out crucial neurological facts. But it will give us a glimpse of what is to come.) Not to mention, VR will probably help us get to AR, which will surely have an even bigger impact. At this point, we're not looking at a toy any more, but at a Prophecy.
  - vinceguidry 13y ago
    It's bigger because it requires more than your own efforts. One person can draw, paint, make music all they want and never have to interact with others at all, and these were the sorts of things you were saying you'd do in retirement. But you couldn't move to Malta and make a next-generation VR platform. You'd need funding, facilities, people to take care of managing these things. That's what I meant by bigger.
    - bane 13y ago
      Ahh, bigger as in "involves more people" rather than bigger as in "moral crusade to change humanity". Yeah, no thanks. Once I get the construction crew out of my retirement home, I'd like to deal with as few people as humanly possible. I don't even like the social interaction of dealing with cashiers, I love the self service lines. If I hit on a retirement hobby that requires more people, I'm sure I'll always just be able to just form a company and hire people to do the work with my swimming pool full of money.

charlieflowers 13y ago

Weird. When I ask myself this question (as I do often), I don't usually get such a strong answer from myself. But my self just said, "I would work on VR." Fascinating.