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So every voter in Turkey essentially knows what Erdogan is doing. So nobody who understands democracy should vote for Erdogan. If however not enough people und

So every voter in Turkey essentially knows what Erdogan is doing. So nobody who understands democracy should vote for Erdogan. If however not enough people understand democracy ...

mrtksn 13y ago
Erdogan claims that there is a "global conspiracy to stop the rise of Turkey" and people who believe him don't care much about the unlawful things he is doing because you know, Turkey is under attack and extraordinary measures should be taken to protect the country. Polls show that %77 of the population believe the corruption case against the government is real. However the situation is really complicated. Without going into details, I have to say that probably there is a real conspiracy orchestrated by the Gulen(islamic cleric allegedly with big influence on the judiciary & law enforcement) movement because some of the leaked tapes seems to be collected illegally. The Gulen movement was close ally with the government till recently. They probably collected evidence about the corruption in the government since years and waited until the right moment comes to start the criminal case. The PM responded by demonizing the whole movement and suspending the rule of law. The allegations against the Gulen movement are not proven at all but few years ago the same prosecutors started a case against the military and lot's of unlawful things took place during the whole trail process. That time the PM Erdogan strongly supported the case but today he claims that this was a conspiracy against the Turkish army. Many lawyers agree that lots of the evidence against the military was fabricated and many people were imprisoned for political reasons. Back then a sex tape of the main opposition party leader was leaked and PM Erdogan used it as a political tool. Today the same PM claims that these leaks about corruption are invasion of his privacy. Another leak shows that the PM was involved in the filming and distribution of the sex tape of the opposition party. It's just huge mess here.
- mercurial 13y ago
  Yes, it's really nasty. Three groups with different agendas and none of them interested in democracy or the rule of law.
gokhan 13y ago
There are lots of voters believe in Erdogan because he said he's clean. It's all about uneducated public being manipulated through religion and patriotism. He talks about Islam and national flag. He's reading national anthem's lyrics in ads on TV.
- coldtea 13y ago
  >* It's all about uneducated public being manipulated through religion and patriotism.* So, not much unlike the so-called educated public, being manipulated by anti-clericalism and globalisation!
  - bayesianhorse 13y ago
    In this case the choice is between one ideal that encourages you to think for yourself, and one that discourages you. One ideal which emphasizes the need for science and rational thought and one that needs conspiracy theories to survive. One ideal which has proven to bring peace and prosperity, while the other is failing miserably, comparatively speaking.

So every voter in Turkey essentially knows what Erdogan is doing. So nobody who understands democracy should vote for Erdogan. If however not enough people understand democracy ...

mrtksn 13y ago

Erdogan claims that there is a "global conspiracy to stop the rise of Turkey" and people who believe him don't care much about the unlawful things he is doing because you know, Turkey is under attack and extraordinary measures should be taken to protect the country. Polls show that %77 of the population believe the corruption case against the government is real. However the situation is really complicated. Without going into details, I have to say that probably there is a real conspiracy orchestrated by the Gulen(islamic cleric allegedly with big influence on the judiciary & law enforcement) movement because some of the leaked tapes seems to be collected illegally. The Gulen movement was close ally with the government till recently. They probably collected evidence about the corruption in the government since years and waited until the right moment comes to start the criminal case. The PM responded by demonizing the whole movement and suspending the rule of law. The allegations against the Gulen movement are not proven at all but few years ago the same prosecutors started a case against the military and lot's of unlawful things took place during the whole trail process. That time the PM Erdogan strongly supported the case but today he claims that this was a conspiracy against the Turkish army. Many lawyers agree that lots of the evidence against the military was fabricated and many people were imprisoned for political reasons. Back then a sex tape of the main opposition party leader was leaked and PM Erdogan used it as a political tool. Today the same PM claims that these leaks about corruption are invasion of his privacy. Another leak shows that the PM was involved in the filming and distribution of the sex tape of the opposition party. It's just huge mess here.

mercurial 13y ago
Yes, it's really nasty. Three groups with different agendas and none of them interested in democracy or the rule of law.

gokhan 13y ago

There are lots of voters believe in Erdogan because he said he's clean. It's all about uneducated public being manipulated through religion and patriotism. He talks about Islam and national flag. He's reading national anthem's lyrics in ads on TV.

coldtea 13y ago
>* It's all about uneducated public being manipulated through religion and patriotism.* So, not much unlike the so-called educated public, being manipulated by anti-clericalism and globalisation!
- bayesianhorse 13y ago
  In this case the choice is between one ideal that encourages you to think for yourself, and one that discourages you. One ideal which emphasizes the need for science and rational thought and one that needs conspiracy theories to survive. One ideal which has proven to bring peace and prosperity, while the other is failing miserably, comparatively speaking.