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>but if you do not care at all for the business Your business? Of course not. Unless I have equity, why would I fall for the "you need to care about the comp

by copergi 13y ago

>but if you do not care at all for the business Your business? Of course not. Unless I have equity, why would I fall for the "you need to care about the company even though it doesn't care about you" scam? >or your team You are the one screwing my team, not me. >your not exactly a paragon of the model employee are you I would certainly hope not. I try to me a model human. I have no interest in being a model employee. If you want a slave, buy someone else. >If there is a major crisis which happens in average maybe once every three months, and you consistently can't be arsed to put in some extra hours of effort while your team mates and managers are, then yes, you are flaking out If that is part of my job, sure. But you are aiming for a world record in strawmanning with that one. Remember the discussion is about employers feeling entitled to owning employees time?

MortenK 13y ago
"Remember the discussion is about employers feeling entitled to owning employees time?" No, that's actually not at all what this discussion is about. That's what OP's situation is about. My post made two points: 1) If a company is mismanaged or just plain taking advantage of you by requiring regular overtime, then leave such a company. 2) A company (not OP's company) who is well managed and does not require regular overtime, pay their wages on time etc, should be able to expect at least a little bit dedication from their employees. No you don't have to tattoo the product name on your chest, but it would suit you to help out your managers and colleagues in case of (rarely occurring) emergencies.
- copergi 13y ago
  >should be able to expect at least a little bit dedication from their employees No they shouldn't. They should expect exactly what they pay for, me to show up and do my job and then leave. If you want me to be invested in the company, then I need a stake in the company. It isn't complicated.

by copergi 13y ago

MortenK 13y ago

"Remember the discussion is about employers feeling entitled to owning employees time?" No, that's actually not at all what this discussion is about. That's what OP's situation is about. My post made two points: 1) If a company is mismanaged or just plain taking advantage of you by requiring regular overtime, then leave such a company. 2) A company (not OP's company) who is well managed and does not require regular overtime, pay their wages on time etc, should be able to expect at least a little bit dedication from their employees. No you don't have to tattoo the product name on your chest, but it would suit you to help out your managers and colleagues in case of (rarely occurring) emergencies.

copergi 13y ago
>should be able to expect at least a little bit dedication from their employees No they shouldn't. They should expect exactly what they pay for, me to show up and do my job and then leave. If you want me to be invested in the company, then I need a stake in the company. It isn't complicated.