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His company does not deserve him? The guy, by his own admission, is more focused on his own company that he works on nights and weekends. Why would any startup

His company does not deserve him? The guy, by his own admission, is more focused on his own company that he works on nights and weekends. Why would any startup want a guy like that unless he was radically better than everyone else?

jason_slack 13y ago
He doesn't say he is more focused on his own company though... He does say that he wants to spend his free evening and weekend time working on his own goals versus spending those extra hours for his boss, unpaid....
Dewie 13y ago
OP puts in the hours that the job requires of him, and doesn't seem to slack off when doing it. Does the company really deserve anything more than that?
RyanZAG 13y ago
If you've stopped to look around you'd notice there is a dire shortage of good developers who want to work for others. Nearly all the good developers I know work on side project/hopeful businesses in their spare time. It's almost a mark of a good creative developer that he has those kind of side projects. A startup would want a guy like him because a startup needs to grow rapidly to justify existing in the first place and a good developer will easily justify their position on a team. If the OP is being truthful, he designed the very product the entire startup is based on. So to answer your question - the startup would want a guy like him because there might not be a startup without him. Obviously if he's no longer worth his salary then the startup needs to let him go. That decision has absolutely nothing to do with the number of hours he works and everything to do with whether his benefit to the company justifies his cost.
- EC1 13y ago
  > If the OP is being truthful, he designed the very product the entire startup is based on. Hell yes I did. Entire UI. Coded it too. 45K, no benefits, nothing, just 1400/two weeks after taxes.
  - kotakota 13y ago
    Why would you stay there for 45k and no benifits? 45k/year is a slap in the face for any decent developer.
    - EC1 13y ago
      How on earth do I find another job? I have never once gotten a reply from another company when applying. I'm a university dropout who is 21. Nobody wants to hire me. I'm utilizing like maybe 25% of my potential, so I started my own company. I'd love some help with this. There's so many companies I want to reply to but I'm scared.
      - kotakota 13y ago
        Do you contribute to open source? Do you go to user groups? Do you network with other professionals? If you do any of those and are a competent developer getting offers should be easy. Most good developers who network even just a little bit get contacted by recruiters fairly regularly. On the other hand if you are not a strong developer no matter how much you network no one is going to contact you about open positions at their company.
      - RyanZAG 13y ago
        First: don't be scared. Your best offer will be based on how many offers you received. How many offers you receive will be based on how many jobs you try for. When looking for a job you want to apply for as many jobs as possible. If you're getting very few responses, it means your CV is hitting some kind of red flag. The university dropout might be triggering it - most recruiters will be able to look past it though if you structure it well. You probably need to make sure you downplay education as much as possible and focus on achievements. Highlight which skills and languages you are an expert in and find buzzwords that fit your skill set. There's plenty of jobs, so you can try a few different CVs to a few different companies and see which ones have a good response rate. Or stick with your own company. You'll probably learn and accomplish more, and ultimately if you build something great then at least you'll be the one getting the rewards. (This is probably not a good option if you have zero runway available, but people have made it work in the past...)
6d0debc071 13y ago
Why would they care what he does in his free time unless they didn't expect it to be His Time? That's the real question here. And if they're going to have that sort of expectation - that it not be his time - then not being upfront about it is dishonest; an attempt to get someone in and then take advantage of them. No wonder they didn't get a good cultural fit if they were so dishonest that the poor guy's just figuring out how to deal with it now.

jason_slack 13y ago

He doesn't say he is more focused on his own company though... He does say that he wants to spend his free evening and weekend time working on his own goals versus spending those extra hours for his boss, unpaid....

Dewie 13y ago

OP puts in the hours that the job requires of him, and doesn't seem to slack off when doing it. Does the company really deserve anything more than that?

RyanZAG 13y ago

If you've stopped to look around you'd notice there is a dire shortage of good developers who want to work for others. Nearly all the good developers I know work on side project/hopeful businesses in their spare time. It's almost a mark of a good creative developer that he has those kind of side projects. A startup would want a guy like him because a startup needs to grow rapidly to justify existing in the first place and a good developer will easily justify their position on a team. If the OP is being truthful, he designed the very product the entire startup is based on. So to answer your question - the startup would want a guy like him because there might not be a startup without him. Obviously if he's no longer worth his salary then the startup needs to let him go. That decision has absolutely nothing to do with the number of hours he works and everything to do with whether his benefit to the company justifies his cost.

EC1 13y ago
> If the OP is being truthful, he designed the very product the entire startup is based on. Hell yes I did. Entire UI. Coded it too. 45K, no benefits, nothing, just 1400/two weeks after taxes.
- kotakota 13y ago
  Why would you stay there for 45k and no benifits? 45k/year is a slap in the face for any decent developer.
  - EC1 13y ago
    How on earth do I find another job? I have never once gotten a reply from another company when applying. I'm a university dropout who is 21. Nobody wants to hire me. I'm utilizing like maybe 25% of my potential, so I started my own company. I'd love some help with this. There's so many companies I want to reply to but I'm scared.
    - kotakota 13y ago
      Do you contribute to open source? Do you go to user groups? Do you network with other professionals? If you do any of those and are a competent developer getting offers should be easy. Most good developers who network even just a little bit get contacted by recruiters fairly regularly. On the other hand if you are not a strong developer no matter how much you network no one is going to contact you about open positions at their company.
    - RyanZAG 13y ago
      First: don't be scared. Your best offer will be based on how many offers you received. How many offers you receive will be based on how many jobs you try for. When looking for a job you want to apply for as many jobs as possible. If you're getting very few responses, it means your CV is hitting some kind of red flag. The university dropout might be triggering it - most recruiters will be able to look past it though if you structure it well. You probably need to make sure you downplay education as much as possible and focus on achievements. Highlight which skills and languages you are an expert in and find buzzwords that fit your skill set. There's plenty of jobs, so you can try a few different CVs to a few different companies and see which ones have a good response rate. Or stick with your own company. You'll probably learn and accomplish more, and ultimately if you build something great then at least you'll be the one getting the rewards. (This is probably not a good option if you have zero runway available, but people have made it work in the past...)

6d0debc071 13y ago

Why would they care what he does in his free time unless they didn't expect it to be His Time? That's the real question here. And if they're going to have that sort of expectation - that it not be his time - then not being upfront about it is dishonest; an attempt to get someone in and then take advantage of them. No wonder they didn't get a good cultural fit if they were so dishonest that the poor guy's just figuring out how to deal with it now.