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I would use this magnificent milestone to raise my hand and ask... Nvidia, where are my native Linux Optimus drivers?

fhars 13y ago
There: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw
vanderZwan 13y ago
I dunno, but as someone on a laptop with an intel HD 4000... who can I thank for this ridiculous increase in performance? Default Ubuntu has gone from laggy to rivalling Lubuntu in responsiveness.
- JanezStupar 13y ago
  For me Unity stopped working somewhere between 13.04 and 13.10... (Asus UX32VD). I am going to upgrade to 14.04 in a couple of months and see what happens.
  - mdeslaur 13y ago
    FYI, I'm currently running 14.04 on an UX32VD. I was previously running 13.10, and that worked great too.
  - luka-birsa 13y ago
    Be a man. Upgrade it today. Whats the worst that could happen?
- listic 13y ago
  Intel, who is putting the effort into open source drivers and Mesa developers, I think. I think the increase in desktop graphics performance has to do with the updates in Mesa 3D Graphics Library. Ubuntu 13.10 has 9.1, while 14.04 has 10.1. Though I would have thought that Intel HD 4000 would provide decent performance even with the old Mesa. I'm on GMA 4500MHD (GM45, ThinkPad X200, circa 2008) and that feels laggy sometimes (with all special effect options I could find tuned to a minimum), especially when I compare it to my brother's desktop with gaming-grade video card. Most times I put up with it, but one time I decided to try the mesa 10.2-devel, and suddenly - what a relief, my old laptop finally feels like it has no problems displaying windows, again! There are some glitches when displaying some window decorations, but I'm ok with that, as long as the smoothness of work is back (I guess, that's the artifact of -devel version).
  - skriticos2 13y ago
    I'm running 12.04 with I7 Ivy Bridge HD4000 too and have no performance issues. Maybe it's op's hard drive? I'm running the system on an SSD and it's a night and day difference to the rotating equivalents.
    - vanderZwan 13y ago
      Also SSD, and 8 gigs of RAM in case that might matter. It's probably just that Lubuntu is my only reference point - it's so lightweight plain Ubuntu feels laggy in comparison. Doesn't make me any less happy with the increase in responsiveness though :)
      - zanny 13y ago
        I've been using KDE for years, but have been testing out the various 14.04 desktops to see how they are doing, and I don't know if love bloat or something but if my windows don't have animated resizing, minimizing, and maximizing the jerky behavior just seems so 90s to me.
        listic 13y ago
        > animated resizing You mean, not like this? http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/hrenistic/ubuntu_1310_zps6c8932aa.png http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/hrenistic/ubuntu_13...
    - leaveyou 13y ago
      8gigs of RAM :) ? in my experience not a single byte over 4GB RAM matters in linux desktop. I have (Ubuntu 13.10 on an old sonny vaio core 2 duo) 4GB and with all the workspace open and a virtual box with 1.5GB RAM allocated to it, i didn't reach 3GB (it stays around 2.7-2.8GB).
      - zanny 13y ago
        I have 16GB. And I have managed to use all of that, with a combination of calligra + blender + around 5 vms in virtualbox + 3 containers + background compiler update operations + 3 web browsers open all with a total of around 100 tabs at the same time. I find it is just quality of life. If I use 4gigs, I can only have 2 real memory intensive applications open at the same time. If I had 8+, I could easily have anything I want open in normal usage and not break a sweat.
tormeh 13y ago
apt-get install nvidia-319-updates That's where they are. The drivers crash on suspend/resume, so you need the ctrl-alt-backspace combo to kill X but otherwise it's OK. Newer versions are better, but they're not included in the official repo yet.
- JanezStupar 13y ago
  Awesome, after almost two years of owning my computer the newest feature is that it still crashses on suspend/resume. Use Linux they said, your computer will stop crashing they said... I'm not touching any Nvidia driver until shit starts working. But thanks for update! Appreciated a lot.
  - rufugee 13y ago
    I recently switched to Fedora 20, and my Optimus is working well there with the nouveau drivers...
    - JanezStupar 13y ago
      Nouveau has absolutely no Optimus support. You are actually saying that Intel 4000 is working well in Fedora 20 :D
      - broodbucket 13y ago
        Late reply, but Bumblebee supports nouveau, which is probably what he's talking about.
  - zanny 13y ago
    Well, a lot of us Linux neckbeards advocate free software, and Nvidia's blob is anything but... I'm having a lot of good results from AMD and Intel on Mesa. The modern AMD GPU lineup is finally almost up to snuff and performing really well, Intels stuff has always been rock solid, so I could never recommend Nvidia to anyone using Linux again, unless you need OGL 4+ functionality.
yulaow 13y ago
THAT'S the problem I had since years of asking and bashing on the nvidia support forum. And that's why, when a mate asks me which laptop to buy to use with linux, I ever suggest not to buy one with a nvidia gpu because even with bumblebee the user experience is shit.
- zanny 13y ago
  Meanwhile, any combination of intel / AMD discrete / integrated parts I find works (usually) flawlessly, if you use PRIME (and are using the foss drivers). I've been working on a plasma widget for a while to just drop applications on a launcher area to run them on your second gpu if PRIME is enabled.

fhars 13y ago

There: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw

I dunno, but as someone on a laptop with an intel HD 4000... who can I thank for this ridiculous increase in performance? Default Ubuntu has gone from laggy to rivalling Lubuntu in responsiveness.

JanezStupar 13y ago
For me Unity stopped working somewhere between 13.04 and 13.10... (Asus UX32VD). I am going to upgrade to 14.04 in a couple of months and see what happens.
- mdeslaur 13y ago
  FYI, I'm currently running 14.04 on an UX32VD. I was previously running 13.10, and that worked great too.
- luka-birsa 13y ago
  Be a man. Upgrade it today. Whats the worst that could happen?
listic 13y ago
Intel, who is putting the effort into open source drivers and Mesa developers, I think. I think the increase in desktop graphics performance has to do with the updates in Mesa 3D Graphics Library. Ubuntu 13.10 has 9.1, while 14.04 has 10.1. Though I would have thought that Intel HD 4000 would provide decent performance even with the old Mesa. I'm on GMA 4500MHD (GM45, ThinkPad X200, circa 2008) and that feels laggy sometimes (with all special effect options I could find tuned to a minimum), especially when I compare it to my brother's desktop with gaming-grade video card. Most times I put up with it, but one time I decided to try the mesa 10.2-devel, and suddenly - what a relief, my old laptop finally feels like it has no problems displaying windows, again! There are some glitches when displaying some window decorations, but I'm ok with that, as long as the smoothness of work is back (I guess, that's the artifact of -devel version).
- skriticos2 13y ago
  I'm running 12.04 with I7 Ivy Bridge HD4000 too and have no performance issues. Maybe it's op's hard drive? I'm running the system on an SSD and it's a night and day difference to the rotating equivalents.
  - vanderZwan 13y ago
    Also SSD, and 8 gigs of RAM in case that might matter. It's probably just that Lubuntu is my only reference point - it's so lightweight plain Ubuntu feels laggy in comparison. Doesn't make me any less happy with the increase in responsiveness though :)
    - zanny 13y ago
      I've been using KDE for years, but have been testing out the various 14.04 desktops to see how they are doing, and I don't know if love bloat or something but if my windows don't have animated resizing, minimizing, and maximizing the jerky behavior just seems so 90s to me.
      - listic 13y ago
        > animated resizing You mean, not like this? http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/hrenistic/ubuntu_1310_zps6c8932aa.png http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/hrenistic/ubuntu_13...
  - leaveyou 13y ago
    8gigs of RAM :) ? in my experience not a single byte over 4GB RAM matters in linux desktop. I have (Ubuntu 13.10 on an old sonny vaio core 2 duo) 4GB and with all the workspace open and a virtual box with 1.5GB RAM allocated to it, i didn't reach 3GB (it stays around 2.7-2.8GB).
    - zanny 13y ago
      I have 16GB. And I have managed to use all of that, with a combination of calligra + blender + around 5 vms in virtualbox + 3 containers + background compiler update operations + 3 web browsers open all with a total of around 100 tabs at the same time. I find it is just quality of life. If I use 4gigs, I can only have 2 real memory intensive applications open at the same time. If I had 8+, I could easily have anything I want open in normal usage and not break a sweat.

tormeh 13y ago

apt-get install nvidia-319-updates That's where they are. The drivers crash on suspend/resume, so you need the ctrl-alt-backspace combo to kill X but otherwise it's OK. Newer versions are better, but they're not included in the official repo yet.

JanezStupar 13y ago
Awesome, after almost two years of owning my computer the newest feature is that it still crashses on suspend/resume. Use Linux they said, your computer will stop crashing they said... I'm not touching any Nvidia driver until shit starts working. But thanks for update! Appreciated a lot.
- rufugee 13y ago
  I recently switched to Fedora 20, and my Optimus is working well there with the nouveau drivers...
  - JanezStupar 13y ago
    Nouveau has absolutely no Optimus support. You are actually saying that Intel 4000 is working well in Fedora 20 :D
    - broodbucket 13y ago
      Late reply, but Bumblebee supports nouveau, which is probably what he's talking about.
- zanny 13y ago
  Well, a lot of us Linux neckbeards advocate free software, and Nvidia's blob is anything but... I'm having a lot of good results from AMD and Intel on Mesa. The modern AMD GPU lineup is finally almost up to snuff and performing really well, Intels stuff has always been rock solid, so I could never recommend Nvidia to anyone using Linux again, unless you need OGL 4+ functionality.

yulaow 13y ago

THAT'S the problem I had since years of asking and bashing on the nvidia support forum. And that's why, when a mate asks me which laptop to buy to use with linux, I ever suggest not to buy one with a nvidia gpu because even with bumblebee the user experience is shit.

zanny 13y ago
Meanwhile, any combination of intel / AMD discrete / integrated parts I find works (usually) flawlessly, if you use PRIME (and are using the foss drivers). I've been working on a plasma widget for a while to just drop applications on a launcher area to run them on your second gpu if PRIME is enabled.