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I've lost 50 pounds since October by following a ketogenic diet. I start each day with coffee mixed with butter and MCT oil. I eat meat for lunch. I eat meat

by alrs 13y ago

I've lost 50 pounds since October by following a ketogenic diet. I start each day with coffee mixed with butter and MCT oil. I eat meat for lunch. I eat meat for dinner. I feel better than I have for years. http://reddit.com/r/keto http://reddit.com/r/keto is a reasonable place to get started.

toomuchtodo 13y ago
I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. Because you eat solely meat? I'm on keto, but I use DIY Soylent and vegan protein sources for it. Not because I don't like meat (I LOVE bacon), but because I'm lazy. Keto is wonderful because it keeps your blood sugar level low, which helps burn fat and prevents your body from storing excess energy as fat. Don't overdue the red meat though; there is a body of evidence that shows that red meat can cause cancer through the digestive track. Also, much love for /r/keto. It's a wonderful community. Keto on!
- mrfusion 13y ago
  What's your DIY soyulent recipe?
  - greyskull 13y ago
    I'd like to know this too.
    - toomuchtodo 13y ago
      http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/quidnycs-ketofood-for-induction-phase-ketosis http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/quidnycs-ketofood-for-inductio... http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/quidnycs-ketofood-for-ongoing-ketosis http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/quidnycs-ketofood-for-ongoing-...
  - toomuchtodo 13y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7485059 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7485059
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tbrownaw 13y ago
I've lost 50 pounds since October by following a ketogenic diet. For every fad diet, there are people who lost significant weight using that diet. It's how they get to be fads (and how you can know that the biological rationales are bunk). This [ http://imgur.com/NJlqag1 http://imgur.com/NJlqag1 ], was thru increased self-awareness which I jump-started by counting calories for the first couple months. (194 is the top of what the BMI chart calls "normal") If you're mindful of what you're doing, then you'll only eat when hungry (and enough to not be hungry) rather than mindlessly snacking all day or mindlessly continuing to eat at meals until the food and/or conversation runs out. If you learn to pay attention (just enough to keep your senses calibrated), your body is fairly good at telling you what you need. So anything that helps you stay mindful will help you lose weight.
- Axsuul 13y ago
  Keto is a proven diet based on science. Another one is intermittent fasting (IF). These diets only work if you stick to them, otherwise they become fads. Keto is a hard one to stick to because it's easy to mess up and get out of ketosis which makes the whole week a waste.
  - eshvk 13y ago
    Both of them are basically clever ways to reduce your calorie intake. There is nothing magical happening here. You do Keto, you get satiated sooner, you eat less. You do intermittent fasting, you eat less because you are skipping some meals.
    - Axsuul 13y ago
      Yes, in the end you still need a caloric deficit, and you can lose weight simply by doing that. However, unlike the caloric deficit, these diets maximize fat loss and minimize muscle loss.
    - nikatwork 13y ago
      Keto is more complex than just calorie reduction. The theory is that it flips your metabolism into a different state. You are burning different fuel, ketones directly from fat stores. I don't know if keto is solid science, but the theory cannot be represented as merely calorie reduction.
batiudrami 13y ago
I'll say this up front - I know very little about nutrition and diet science. But, your comment makes me think: -You start with caffeine, a known hunger suppressant -Meat is high protein, which is (I think) fairly confidently known to be what stops your brain thinking that it is hungry. These two factors, along with internal knowledge that you're attempting to lose weight and may therefore conciously attempt to eat less, should result in you eating less than you otherwise would. Yet you purposely eat high fat and low nutrition foods such as butter - if you replaced those with other options - vegetables and starchy carbs - and attempted to eat protein-dense but low fat meats such as chicken breast - would you be still losing as much weight and also overall having a healthier body (which is less likely to lead to problems later in life?). Obviously this article throws some of those assumptions into question, but I think few people would argue that replacing some fat in a (relatively) high fat diet with vegetables would be a negative for your weight loss or future health.
- IgorPartola 13y ago
  Seconded. From what I have seen in terms of research and experienced, eating vegetables is pretty much the only thing we know for sure is a safe bet. There are tons of controversial things that can be debated, but I have never seen any credible source say "eat less veggies".
- beagle3 13y ago
  This reasoning may feel satisfying, but it is very far from sound scientific reasoning. > You start with caffeine, a known hunger suppressant And yet, most of the western world, including most obese people, drinks coffee. So apparently, the "hunger suppression effects" are not relevant, or they would be relevant to everyone. > internal knowledge that you're attempting to lose weight and may therefore conciously attempt to eat less, should result in you eating less than you otherwise would. That would also be true for ... just about every person who is trying to lose weight. And the vast majority of them fail spectacularly. So this can't be a reason either. > Yet you purposely eat high fat and low nutrition foods such as butter What does "low nutrition" mean, and why would you think butter is not nutritious? "Butter" is not one thing, much like "Meat" is not one thing. European style and US style butters have different nutrient contents. Butter from well treated, grass fed cows contains a lot more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyric_acid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyric_acid than grain fed cows that are not treated well (The taste is also different - after I got used to the former, which I can eat by the stick, the latter is disgusting in any form or amount). Butyric acid is seriously good for you (see e.g. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/12/butyric-acid-ancient-controller-of.html http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/12/butyric-acid-a... ) > would you be still losing as much weight and also overall having a healthier body (which is less likely to lead to problems later in life?) Why would you believe that? That it causes problem, or that you would lose as much weight? Calorie in - calorie out is a theory that was never scientifically proved, and was scientifically disproved numerous times.
7Figures2Commas 13y ago
> I've lost 50 pounds since October... Weight is obviously important (obesity is not healthy) but there's far too much focus on weight in my opinion. There are lots of people who are not overweight who are incredibly unhealthy. Many of them don't think they're unhealthy because they're not "fat." > I feel better than I have for years. This, and how you look, is far more important. Are you chronically tired? Do you get winded with modest exertion? Can you lift a modestly heavy object? Do you have bags under your eyes? Do you see definition in certain muscle groups? The science of diet is unsettled. Medical science is always changing. There are few one-size-fits-all answers. But you can start to get a pretty good sense of your overall health and well-being by paying attention to how you feel and looking at your body in a mirror on a regular basis.
- alrs 13y ago
  No, I'm not tired or easily winded. My health has improved.
  - 7Figures2Commas 13y ago
    My questions were general/rhetorical, but it sounds like you're doing well. Congrats!
resu 13y ago
What weight did you start at? 200 to 150 would be much more impressive than 300 to 250.
- alrs 13y ago
  235
bsder 13y ago
While I'm skeptical of the ketogenic diet stuff, what I have noticed is that the people on ketogenic diets suddenly eats lots less carbs. For many people, dropping carbs drops something like 40-70% of their dietary calories, so it is hard to work out what is due to ketogenic and what is due to dramatically fewer calories.

by alrs 13y ago

toomuchtodo 13y ago

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. Because you eat solely meat? I'm on keto, but I use DIY Soylent and vegan protein sources for it. Not because I don't like meat (I LOVE bacon), but because I'm lazy. Keto is wonderful because it keeps your blood sugar level low, which helps burn fat and prevents your body from storing excess energy as fat. Don't overdue the red meat though; there is a body of evidence that shows that red meat can cause cancer through the digestive track. Also, much love for /r/keto. It's a wonderful community. Keto on!

mrfusion 13y ago
What's your DIY soyulent recipe?
- greyskull 13y ago
  I'd like to know this too.
  - toomuchtodo 13y ago
    http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/quidnycs-ketofood-for-induction-phase-ketosis http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/quidnycs-ketofood-for-inductio... http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/quidnycs-ketofood-for-ongoing-ketosis http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/quidnycs-ketofood-for-ongoing-...
- toomuchtodo 13y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7485059 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7485059

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tbrownaw 13y ago

I've lost 50 pounds since October by following a ketogenic diet. For every fad diet, there are people who lost significant weight using that diet. It's how they get to be fads (and how you can know that the biological rationales are bunk). This [ http://imgur.com/NJlqag1 http://imgur.com/NJlqag1 ], was thru increased self-awareness which I jump-started by counting calories for the first couple months. (194 is the top of what the BMI chart calls "normal") If you're mindful of what you're doing, then you'll only eat when hungry (and enough to not be hungry) rather than mindlessly snacking all day or mindlessly continuing to eat at meals until the food and/or conversation runs out. If you learn to pay attention (just enough to keep your senses calibrated), your body is fairly good at telling you what you need. So anything that helps you stay mindful will help you lose weight.

Axsuul 13y ago
Keto is a proven diet based on science. Another one is intermittent fasting (IF). These diets only work if you stick to them, otherwise they become fads. Keto is a hard one to stick to because it's easy to mess up and get out of ketosis which makes the whole week a waste.
- eshvk 13y ago
  Both of them are basically clever ways to reduce your calorie intake. There is nothing magical happening here. You do Keto, you get satiated sooner, you eat less. You do intermittent fasting, you eat less because you are skipping some meals.
  - Axsuul 13y ago
    Yes, in the end you still need a caloric deficit, and you can lose weight simply by doing that. However, unlike the caloric deficit, these diets maximize fat loss and minimize muscle loss.
  - nikatwork 13y ago
    Keto is more complex than just calorie reduction. The theory is that it flips your metabolism into a different state. You are burning different fuel, ketones directly from fat stores. I don't know if keto is solid science, but the theory cannot be represented as merely calorie reduction.

batiudrami 13y ago

I'll say this up front - I know very little about nutrition and diet science. But, your comment makes me think: -You start with caffeine, a known hunger suppressant -Meat is high protein, which is (I think) fairly confidently known to be what stops your brain thinking that it is hungry. These two factors, along with internal knowledge that you're attempting to lose weight and may therefore conciously attempt to eat less, should result in you eating less than you otherwise would. Yet you purposely eat high fat and low nutrition foods such as butter - if you replaced those with other options - vegetables and starchy carbs - and attempted to eat protein-dense but low fat meats such as chicken breast - would you be still losing as much weight and also overall having a healthier body (which is less likely to lead to problems later in life?). Obviously this article throws some of those assumptions into question, but I think few people would argue that replacing some fat in a (relatively) high fat diet with vegetables would be a negative for your weight loss or future health.

IgorPartola 13y ago
Seconded. From what I have seen in terms of research and experienced, eating vegetables is pretty much the only thing we know for sure is a safe bet. There are tons of controversial things that can be debated, but I have never seen any credible source say "eat less veggies".
beagle3 13y ago
This reasoning may feel satisfying, but it is very far from sound scientific reasoning. > You start with caffeine, a known hunger suppressant And yet, most of the western world, including most obese people, drinks coffee. So apparently, the "hunger suppression effects" are not relevant, or they would be relevant to everyone. > internal knowledge that you're attempting to lose weight and may therefore conciously attempt to eat less, should result in you eating less than you otherwise would. That would also be true for ... just about every person who is trying to lose weight. And the vast majority of them fail spectacularly. So this can't be a reason either. > Yet you purposely eat high fat and low nutrition foods such as butter What does "low nutrition" mean, and why would you think butter is not nutritious? "Butter" is not one thing, much like "Meat" is not one thing. European style and US style butters have different nutrient contents. Butter from well treated, grass fed cows contains a lot more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyric_acid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyric_acid than grain fed cows that are not treated well (The taste is also different - after I got used to the former, which I can eat by the stick, the latter is disgusting in any form or amount). Butyric acid is seriously good for you (see e.g. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/12/butyric-acid-ancient-controller-of.html http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/12/butyric-acid-a... ) > would you be still losing as much weight and also overall having a healthier body (which is less likely to lead to problems later in life?) Why would you believe that? That it causes problem, or that you would lose as much weight? Calorie in - calorie out is a theory that was never scientifically proved, and was scientifically disproved numerous times.

7Figures2Commas 13y ago

> I've lost 50 pounds since October... Weight is obviously important (obesity is not healthy) but there's far too much focus on weight in my opinion. There are lots of people who are not overweight who are incredibly unhealthy. Many of them don't think they're unhealthy because they're not "fat." > I feel better than I have for years. This, and how you look, is far more important. Are you chronically tired? Do you get winded with modest exertion? Can you lift a modestly heavy object? Do you have bags under your eyes? Do you see definition in certain muscle groups? The science of diet is unsettled. Medical science is always changing. There are few one-size-fits-all answers. But you can start to get a pretty good sense of your overall health and well-being by paying attention to how you feel and looking at your body in a mirror on a regular basis.

alrs 13y ago
No, I'm not tired or easily winded. My health has improved.
- 7Figures2Commas 13y ago
  My questions were general/rhetorical, but it sounds like you're doing well. Congrats!

resu 13y ago

What weight did you start at? 200 to 150 would be much more impressive than 300 to 250.

alrs 13y ago
235

bsder 13y ago

While I'm skeptical of the ketogenic diet stuff, what I have noticed is that the people on ketogenic diets suddenly eats lots less carbs. For many people, dropping carbs drops something like 40-70% of their dietary calories, so it is hard to work out what is due to ketogenic and what is due to dramatically fewer calories.