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I am a native Turkish speaker and I listened the recording. For one thing I did not hear anything you would not expect to hear from most of the statesman in the
by shna 13y ago
I am a native Turkish speaker and I listened the recording. For one thing I did not hear anything you would not expect to hear from most of the statesman in the west in a similar situation.
Conversation is about the future stance of Turkey for the civil war in Syria and lack of enough resolve for the last 3 years to intervene properly, and that does not mean directly involving but not supplying ammo to rebel groups against Assad regime. They are complaining that the civil war took a turn toward total destabilization of the region, especially after Al-Qaeda linked group called ISIL[1] started taking over anti-Assad rebel groups. They fear that if ISIL becomes an armed power next to Turkey's border it will be a huge security concern. The head of intelligence agency says that if Turkey going to engage against them in the future it should be done so on their terms but not the other side's choosing. The mention of alleged provocation of the head of intelligence by his minions firing rockets from the Syrian side into Turkish side is correct. He says his men can do that. However he says that in the context they want to be the one starting the assault on ISIL, not the other way around. They argue that if they should wait for the ISIL to attack first. So again it is about engaging al-Qaeda linked group but not starting war with Syria. In this recording foreign minister mention that they want to avoid any conflict with Syria due to their capabilities. I do believe that any war with Syria destabilizes Turkey grossly and it is definitely something they would want to avoid and they did.
The al-Qaeda linked group (ISIL) invaded one the Syrian village about [4] 30-40km away from the Turkish border about a week ago. And like many Turkish I learned something new last week. In that village there's the tomb[2] of the grandfather of the founder of Ottoman Empire. Surrounding of that tomb which is a tiny tiny land in that village belongs to Turkish Republic. The monument is protected by Turkish soldiers who reside there permanently. After ISIL invaded the surrounding village they demanded [5] that Turkish soldiers leave the monument. However that land is part of Turkish sovereign land and Turkey reacted that she would intervene forcefully. Even we have been reading that couple of F-16 fighters are kept ready to take off on the tarmac and special ops can intervene in 90 seconds.
In the recording, foreign minister mentions the option of intervention to ISIL using the Tomb as an excuse, even if they do not attack monument and the soldiers. They mention that world would support such intervention since this is a al-Qaeda linked group. So they would like to attack ISIL fully in the whole region.
They are not warmongering against Syria, and they fear that ISIL's presence could become permanent and can become something of huge security concern for years to come.. In the recording, head of Turkish intelligence mention about lack of resolve of the government. He says if they did not intervene while thousands of people died, still attack on the Tomb of Suleyman Shah is a weaker argument to start an attack.
Probably we need to consider how US would react if an Al-Qaeda linked group starts taking over northern villages of Mexico while a civil war is going on in there.
However the main post is about YouTube ban due to this recording. I just wanted to give another perspective.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_L...
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Suleyman_Shah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Suleyman_Shah
[3] https://plus.google.com/109044970213631232914/about?gl=us&hl=en https://plus.google.com/109044970213631232914/about?gl=us&hl...
[4] https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tomb+of+Suleyman+Shah/@36.638775,38.207574,9z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x5adb35d180fca6a2 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tomb+of+Suleyman+Shah/@36....
[5] http://www.worldbulletin.net/turkey/132062/isil-deadline-for-turkish-pull-out-from-suleiman-shah-tomb-expires http://www.worldbulletin.net/turkey/132062/isil-deadline-for...
- pessimizer 13y ago>Probably we need to consider how US would react if an Al-Qaeda linked group starts taking over northern villages of Mexico while a civil war is going on in there. Why would "al-Qaeda linked" groups be considered more dangerous than the mass-murdering cartels? Mexico is almost a failed state and we haven't invaded.
- shna 13y agoThere is not a civil war in Mexico, is it? Mexican government is not bombing Mexican cities with fighter jets either. 120,000 (actually 658,000 if proportioned it to Mexican population) people have not died in Mexico in the last 3 years, and 3 million (12 million) people have not displaced as refugee in bordering countries either. Would you like me to go on? Mexican government is fully cooperating with US and not acting like an enemy towards US, eh?
- pessimizer 13y ago>There is not a civil war in Mexico, is it? Depends on who you ask. >120,000 (actually 658,000 if proportioned it to Mexican population) people have not died in Mexico in the last 3 years No, more like 100,000 in eight. What's your threshold? >3 million (12 million) people have not displaced as refugee in bordering countries either. http://usopenborders.com/2012/04/160000-mexicans-displaced-in-2011-most-by-drug-violence-un-3/ http://usopenborders.com/2012/04/160000-mexicans-displaced-i... edit: I'm not using Mexican figures to say that fabricating evidence in order to invade is wrong - it just is. I'm saying that using the US as a justification is illegitimate. The US has a record of invading countries in order to enrich itself. To say that Turkey is invading for the same reasons that the US invades is to say that Turkey is going to lie to its own people and the world in order to make a resource grab. That's awful, and a lot of people think that Blair and Bush should be in prison for it.
- shna 13y agoNowhere I said Turkey should invade or anything. This is a bit getting out of hand. I just wanted to draw attention giving an example. However creating a temporary buffer zone where a terrorist group already taken control of is not unthinkable either.