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WebScaleSQL: A collaboration to build upon the MySQL upstream

108 points by mikeevans 13y ago

caniszczyk 13y ago
From Twitter: https://twitter.com/TwitterOSS/status/449202984786739200 https://twitter.com/TwitterOSS/status/449202984786739200 https://github.com/twitter/mysql/wiki/WebScaleSQL-and-Twitter-MySQL https://github.com/twitter/mysql/wiki/WebScaleSQL-and-Twitte...
ddorian43 13y ago
Isn't the mysql test suite no longer open source/available ?I thought oracle decided to hide them ?
- mdcallag 13y ago
  The test suite is still there. I have had questions about the number of new tests that are not getting published -- http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2013/11/where-are-tests.html http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2013/11/where-are-tests.html
NDizzle 13y ago
But is it web scale?!
- ChrisGaudreau 13y ago
  It is only web scale if all the cool kids start using it. :)
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- camus2 13y ago
  it's only web scale if you join tables directly in the PHP code!
  - meritt 13y ago
    You must be talking about RethinkDB then, that's their selling point!
ericcholis 13y ago
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cwyers 13y ago
Doesn't Percona's MySQL "fork" already include most of the Twitter, Google and Facebook patches?
- spudlyo 13y ago
  They've included only one of the Twitter patches that I know of -- Jeremy Cole's NUMA pre-allocation and interleaving work. Percona contributes a lot of great stuff to the MySQL community, but their focus has always been supporting their paying customers.
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josh-wrale 13y ago
I wonder how Google's broad adoption of MariaDB figures into this news.
Thaxll 13y ago
MariaDB, webscale, Percona... it's really annoying all those forks, why can't they choose one solution to work on together.
- jamesgpearce 13y ago
  NB: this is a branch, rather than a fork.
- opendais 13y ago
  WebScale is supposed to be a branch, not a fork but since you asked: Percona built a business on 'their' version and operate on the RedHat business model. As such they need a blessed copy for their business model to function. MariaDB is basically a bid to take control of MySQL back by one of the original MySQL developers. Etc. Tbh, the main problem is Oracle has been a terrible steward of MySQL which has led to this mess.
  - mdcallag 13y ago
    I think Oracle has been a good steward. They haven't been perfect but they have done a great job at paying back technical debt and making the product better for modern hardware.
  - spudlyo 13y ago
    Both releases (5.5 and 5.6) since Oracle acquired MySQL have been mostly pain-free and have brought excellent scalability and performance improvements. If you remember the fiasco that Sun gave us with MySQL 5.1, I think you'd find Oracle's stewardship a welcome change.
    - opendais 13y ago
      Everyone is welcome to their opinion but, personally, I switched to Maria because I think they are better stewards of an open source project than Oracle is. http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2012/08/less-open-source.html http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2012/08/less-open-source.html etc. etc. You are free to hold a separate and equally valid opinion. :)
mmsimanga 13y ago
I wonder if it is because of the new pending comments system that 15 comments in, no one has said, "why don't they just use PostgreSQL?" :-). Not that I am MySQL fanatic but I think it gets more hate on HN than it deserves. It has its quirks but is a good lightweight DB. Funny enough I think all the hate for MySQL provides good documentation of what to watch out for.
jeffdavis 13y ago
Is the project committed to being 100% compatible with oracle mysql?
jeffdavis 13y ago
It's interesting that the development is not really designed for public contributions; only contributions originating in the "webscale" companies.
- HarrisonFisk 13y ago
  There is nothing that precludes public contributions to the project. The important part is that the change be useful to 'webscale' type applications. Prior to this announcement, the only people involved have been these companies to get it bootstrapped, so the work so far looks a bit slanted to these companies. Taken from the FAQ: http://webscalesql.org/faq.html http://webscalesql.org/faq.html "We’ll be doing everything in the open, so everyone in the MySQL community will be able to take what they want from what we do and contribute however they like."

108 points by mikeevans 13y ago

From Twitter: https://twitter.com/TwitterOSS/status/449202984786739200 https://twitter.com/TwitterOSS/status/449202984786739200 https://github.com/twitter/mysql/wiki/WebScaleSQL-and-Twitter-MySQL https://github.com/twitter/mysql/wiki/WebScaleSQL-and-Twitte...

ddorian43 13y ago

Isn't the mysql test suite no longer open source/available ?I thought oracle decided to hide them ?

mdcallag 13y ago
The test suite is still there. I have had questions about the number of new tests that are not getting published -- http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2013/11/where-are-tests.html http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2013/11/where-are-tests.html

NDizzle 13y ago

But is it web scale?!

ChrisGaudreau 13y ago
It is only web scale if all the cool kids start using it. :)
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]
camus2 13y ago
it's only web scale if you join tables directly in the PHP code!
- meritt 13y ago
  You must be talking about RethinkDB then, that's their selling point!

ericcholis 13y ago

/dev/null

cwyers 13y ago

Doesn't Percona's MySQL "fork" already include most of the Twitter, Google and Facebook patches?

spudlyo 13y ago
They've included only one of the Twitter patches that I know of -- Jeremy Cole's NUMA pre-allocation and interleaving work. Percona contributes a lot of great stuff to the MySQL community, but their focus has always been supporting their paying customers.
deleted 13y ago
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josh-wrale 13y ago

I wonder how Google's broad adoption of MariaDB figures into this news.

Thaxll 13y ago

MariaDB, webscale, Percona... it's really annoying all those forks, why can't they choose one solution to work on together.

jamesgpearce 13y ago
NB: this is a branch, rather than a fork.
opendais 13y ago
WebScale is supposed to be a branch, not a fork but since you asked: Percona built a business on 'their' version and operate on the RedHat business model. As such they need a blessed copy for their business model to function. MariaDB is basically a bid to take control of MySQL back by one of the original MySQL developers. Etc. Tbh, the main problem is Oracle has been a terrible steward of MySQL which has led to this mess.
- mdcallag 13y ago
  I think Oracle has been a good steward. They haven't been perfect but they have done a great job at paying back technical debt and making the product better for modern hardware.
- spudlyo 13y ago
  Both releases (5.5 and 5.6) since Oracle acquired MySQL have been mostly pain-free and have brought excellent scalability and performance improvements. If you remember the fiasco that Sun gave us with MySQL 5.1, I think you'd find Oracle's stewardship a welcome change.
  - opendais 13y ago
    Everyone is welcome to their opinion but, personally, I switched to Maria because I think they are better stewards of an open source project than Oracle is. http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2012/08/less-open-source.html http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2012/08/less-open-source.html etc. etc. You are free to hold a separate and equally valid opinion. :)

mmsimanga 13y ago

I wonder if it is because of the new pending comments system that 15 comments in, no one has said, "why don't they just use PostgreSQL?" :-). Not that I am MySQL fanatic but I think it gets more hate on HN than it deserves. It has its quirks but is a good lightweight DB. Funny enough I think all the hate for MySQL provides good documentation of what to watch out for.

jeffdavis 13y ago

Is the project committed to being 100% compatible with oracle mysql?

jeffdavis 13y ago

It's interesting that the development is not really designed for public contributions; only contributions originating in the "webscale" companies.

HarrisonFisk 13y ago
There is nothing that precludes public contributions to the project. The important part is that the change be useful to 'webscale' type applications. Prior to this announcement, the only people involved have been these companies to get it bootstrapped, so the work so far looks a bit slanted to these companies. Taken from the FAQ: http://webscalesql.org/faq.html http://webscalesql.org/faq.html "We’ll be doing everything in the open, so everyone in the MySQL community will be able to take what they want from what we do and contribute however they like."