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>Every year, on a Haskell thread, someone calls me a noob for not knowing it. That sounds a lot like you putting words in other people's mouths. I've never se

by copergi 13y ago

>Every year, on a Haskell thread, someone calls me a noob for not knowing it. That sounds a lot like you putting words in other people's mouths. I've never seen anything like that. >Then you get like the same 3 or 4 dudes talking about how it's only a matter of time until the enterprise picks it up and all the dumb people go away. Or that. >I just want to see a working to-do list application, or anything resembling that size before we start the name-calling. Now I am even more confused. Why do you want to call people names, who do you want to call names, and why do you want to see some random toy app first?

ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
"In fact the things that make Haskell better are probably difficult to appreciate by a lot of younger programmers who are using relatively new languages and frameworks like Node and Rails" Are you reading this stuff? I'm not going to talk to you if you're just being a dick. I know you can read, so stop being obtuse. Come up with something, quick.
- copergi 13y ago
  Yes, I am reading it. That does not say anything even remotely close to "ulisesrmzroche is a noob for not knowing haskell". I am not being a dick, I am being polite and trying to understand where you are coming from. I don't see how insulting me helps either of us, only how it makes your claims that "haskell people keep insulting me" rather hypocritical.
  - ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
    Ok, nevermind dude. You're either not being honest or really can't understand nuance in the English language, which, either or, doesn't give us a lot of room for arguing. Saying 'a lot of younger programmers probably don't appreciate the best parts of haskell' is clear Ageism. I think it's annoying.
    - copergi 13y ago
      >Saying 'a lot of younger programmers probably don't appreciate the best parts of haskell' is clear age-ism No it isn't. >I think it's annoying. Ok, but that doesn't support the claim you made and I questioned.
      - ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
        Are you for real? It's like deja-vu. I guess I should know better by now. There's probably some guy in a lisp thread who has been on my end of this argument for the last 20 years or so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageism#Ageist_prejudice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageism#Ageist_prejudice
        copergi 13y ago
        I know what ageism is. You quoted something that is not an example of it. Given that this is entirely pointless, would you mind if we went back to the actual discussion?
        ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
        The dude that said just said it was 'experience-ism', do I have to explain what nuance is? You've gotta help me out here, I can't do it all on my own. All you keep saying is 'no its not'. And then trying to move on as if that's the final word. Not interested in talking to you bro, we're not going to come to any kind of understanding.
      - jroesch 13y ago
        As a 21 year old this is not ageism in the slightest, it is reality that as you see more and more problems the applicability of some solutions becomes more apparent. For example, when talking to seasoned engineers who have written a lot of concurrent code they immediately understand the value of purity, and immutable data because they have been burned by the problems that crop up when you try to write threaded programs using shared mutable memory. On the other hand if you take a 20 year old student still doing their undergraduate degree (like many of the people in the classes I TA), and try to explain the value of immutable data, many of them just don't get it. It has nothing to do with their intelligence or age, but the fact that they haven't written enough code to develop a sense of why such a thing would be useful. If you want example apps their are plenty littering the internet all covering the various web frameworks, for example here is one covering Happstack: http://happstack.com/docs/crashcourse/index.html http://happstack.com/docs/crashcourse/index.html

by copergi 13y ago

ulisesrmzroche 13y ago

"In fact the things that make Haskell better are probably difficult to appreciate by a lot of younger programmers who are using relatively new languages and frameworks like Node and Rails" Are you reading this stuff? I'm not going to talk to you if you're just being a dick. I know you can read, so stop being obtuse. Come up with something, quick.

copergi 13y ago
Yes, I am reading it. That does not say anything even remotely close to "ulisesrmzroche is a noob for not knowing haskell". I am not being a dick, I am being polite and trying to understand where you are coming from. I don't see how insulting me helps either of us, only how it makes your claims that "haskell people keep insulting me" rather hypocritical.
- ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
  Ok, nevermind dude. You're either not being honest or really can't understand nuance in the English language, which, either or, doesn't give us a lot of room for arguing. Saying 'a lot of younger programmers probably don't appreciate the best parts of haskell' is clear Ageism. I think it's annoying.
  - copergi 13y ago
    >Saying 'a lot of younger programmers probably don't appreciate the best parts of haskell' is clear age-ism No it isn't. >I think it's annoying. Ok, but that doesn't support the claim you made and I questioned.
    - ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
      Are you for real? It's like deja-vu. I guess I should know better by now. There's probably some guy in a lisp thread who has been on my end of this argument for the last 20 years or so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageism#Ageist_prejudice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageism#Ageist_prejudice
      - copergi 13y ago
        I know what ageism is. You quoted something that is not an example of it. Given that this is entirely pointless, would you mind if we went back to the actual discussion?
        ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
        The dude that said just said it was 'experience-ism', do I have to explain what nuance is? You've gotta help me out here, I can't do it all on my own. All you keep saying is 'no its not'. And then trying to move on as if that's the final word. Not interested in talking to you bro, we're not going to come to any kind of understanding.
    - jroesch 13y ago
      As a 21 year old this is not ageism in the slightest, it is reality that as you see more and more problems the applicability of some solutions becomes more apparent. For example, when talking to seasoned engineers who have written a lot of concurrent code they immediately understand the value of purity, and immutable data because they have been burned by the problems that crop up when you try to write threaded programs using shared mutable memory. On the other hand if you take a 20 year old student still doing their undergraduate degree (like many of the people in the classes I TA), and try to explain the value of immutable data, many of them just don't get it. It has nothing to do with their intelligence or age, but the fact that they haven't written enough code to develop a sense of why such a thing would be useful. If you want example apps their are plenty littering the internet all covering the various web frameworks, for example here is one covering Happstack: http://happstack.com/docs/crashcourse/index.html http://happstack.com/docs/crashcourse/index.html