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No need to go out of your way to provide rationales, this person is most likely misrepresenting himself. Google employees are usually smart, this person isn't.

by massev 13y ago

No need to go out of your way to provide rationales, this person is most likely misrepresenting himself. Google employees are usually smart, this person isn't. I mean even at face value his logic is unsound: all mobile services are cloud supported, there is no conflict between being mostly about mobile and providing developers with a backend on which to build their wares, which in any case are also increasingly mobile.

toomuchtodo 13y ago
> Google employees are usually smart, this person isn't. I don't mean to sound crass, but if Google employees are so smart why is Google so collectively bad at doing anything right for an end user experience? Adwords does awesome, Google X has a mind of its own, but the rest of Google? The only thing somewhat decent that comes to mind is Calendar, Gmail, and the latest versions of Android. Mind you, I'm a huge Google fan, but it (as an org) makes some pretty terrible decisions collectively.
- untog 13y ago
  So the only somewhat decent things that come to mind are some of Google's biggest consumer-facing products? Also, user experience is not the be all and end all. Profitability on the other hand...
  - toomuchtodo 13y ago
    Google makes substantial revenue from Calendar, Gmail, and Android? Yes, yes, I know. Adwords. They better hope licensing for self-driving cars takes off.
- niketdesai 13y ago
  It's not an individual that is making these decisions, it's a complicated set of groups, technologies, and directions. Does that mean having bad user experiences is justified? No. But it's incredibly complicated to tie together such large projects (at a complexity most people won't fathom) and do it well. I would look at it the other way and be amazed how good some of the things work.
  - toomuchtodo 13y ago
    Okay, so turn into an incubator. Divest all of your groups except Adwords, and create a holding company for your cash for investing in startups. The only way for Google to innovate now is through acquisitions and acquihires.
    - niketdesai 13y ago
      I think that's a viable option. Also, it's perfectly acceptable to enter new markets through acquisitions and apply Google's innovations there. That is a form of innovation in my opinion.
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- wutbrodo 13y ago
  Oh come now, surely you can't be this ignorant of the way any company (of almost ANY size) works? Take Microsoft as an example: For the last decade, they've been the prototypical example of a dysfunctional company flailing around, and yet you'd have to be a complete fool to think that that suggests anything about how talented their engineers are (all the ones I've met have been exceedingly so). Ignoring all the layers between the intelligence of rank-and-file employee and the output of a corporation with ~50,000 employees and tying the two together is honestly just stupid. You even alluded to this with "(as an org)". You're also hopping the goalposts around a bunch between revenue, success, and some subjective measure of "quality", but Android has over a billion activations, Chrome has three-quarters of a billion active users, GMail has 600+ million active users...again, one would have to be a complete fool (or a recent immigrant from Mars) to think that "only GoogleX and AdWords have had success". By the way, in case you're planning to move the goalposts again to focus on only revenue, if you can't understand the concept of a product having monetary value without directly being a source of revenue, then I'm honestly just in awe of how little you understand how any of the industry works.

by massev 13y ago

toomuchtodo 13y ago

> Google employees are usually smart, this person isn't. I don't mean to sound crass, but if Google employees are so smart why is Google so collectively bad at doing anything right for an end user experience? Adwords does awesome, Google X has a mind of its own, but the rest of Google? The only thing somewhat decent that comes to mind is Calendar, Gmail, and the latest versions of Android. Mind you, I'm a huge Google fan, but it (as an org) makes some pretty terrible decisions collectively.

untog 13y ago
So the only somewhat decent things that come to mind are some of Google's biggest consumer-facing products? Also, user experience is not the be all and end all. Profitability on the other hand...
- toomuchtodo 13y ago
  Google makes substantial revenue from Calendar, Gmail, and Android? Yes, yes, I know. Adwords. They better hope licensing for self-driving cars takes off.
niketdesai 13y ago
It's not an individual that is making these decisions, it's a complicated set of groups, technologies, and directions. Does that mean having bad user experiences is justified? No. But it's incredibly complicated to tie together such large projects (at a complexity most people won't fathom) and do it well. I would look at it the other way and be amazed how good some of the things work.
- toomuchtodo 13y ago
  Okay, so turn into an incubator. Divest all of your groups except Adwords, and create a holding company for your cash for investing in startups. The only way for Google to innovate now is through acquisitions and acquihires.
  - niketdesai 13y ago
    I think that's a viable option. Also, it's perfectly acceptable to enter new markets through acquisitions and apply Google's innovations there. That is a form of innovation in my opinion.
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wutbrodo 13y ago
Oh come now, surely you can't be this ignorant of the way any company (of almost ANY size) works? Take Microsoft as an example: For the last decade, they've been the prototypical example of a dysfunctional company flailing around, and yet you'd have to be a complete fool to think that that suggests anything about how talented their engineers are (all the ones I've met have been exceedingly so). Ignoring all the layers between the intelligence of rank-and-file employee and the output of a corporation with ~50,000 employees and tying the two together is honestly just stupid. You even alluded to this with "(as an org)". You're also hopping the goalposts around a bunch between revenue, success, and some subjective measure of "quality", but Android has over a billion activations, Chrome has three-quarters of a billion active users, GMail has 600+ million active users...again, one would have to be a complete fool (or a recent immigrant from Mars) to think that "only GoogleX and AdWords have had success". By the way, in case you're planning to move the goalposts again to focus on only revenue, if you can't understand the concept of a product having monetary value without directly being a source of revenue, then I'm honestly just in awe of how little you understand how any of the industry works.