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With the theme of ageism and NIH being brought up a lot lately, I'm glad to see that the neck-bearded unix philosophy (tm) of composition and single purpose are

With the theme of ageism and NIH being brought up a lot lately, I'm glad to see that the neck-bearded unix philosophy (tm) of composition and single purpose are winning over these complicated object oriented frameworks.

dfc 13y ago
Why not drop the "neck-bearded" bit? Evi Nemeth had more Unix chops than 99.86% of the people on HN and no neck beard.
- pekk 13y ago
  Nobody was talking any shit on women.
- JetSpiegel 13y ago
  Neck-Beard is not about the beard, it's a state of mind.
  - test1235 13y ago
    Your 'inner' neck beard, as it were.
    - JetSpiegel 13y ago
      Yes, but that sounds even worse.
cmbaus 13y ago
I'm not sure I would go as far as calling Grunt a complicated OO framework, but the first thing that crossed my mind when looking at Grunt was 'why not use make?' It may not be perfect, but at least you get incremental builds.
- Cthulhu_ 13y ago
  incremental builds are possible with Grunt using grunt-newer: https://github.com/tschaub/grunt-newer https://github.com/tschaub/grunt-newer
fnl 13y ago
Exactly my thoughts too, after reading the ageism article. An "old guy" (like me) would not even think twice and just "make" great use, as he has always been and with great success nor the time-consuming need of learning a possibly "unpolished" tool that does not have all the bells and whistles. This is very similar to the NoSQL trap, and countless other technology short-cuts you have to run into before fully understanding why they might be a trap for your org. And its the same reason why we old guys are sometimes disliked - for being critical about all these shiny, new "reinventing the wheel" tools. A tool that is not a decade old in many cases simply isn't battle proof. The problems with us "old ones" maybe starts if we make this a rule rather than a principle of caution, though...
fnl 13y ago
Exactly my thoughts too, after reading the ageism article. An "old guy" (like me) would not even think twice and just "make" great use, as he has always been and with great success nor the time-consuming need of learning a possibly "unpolished" tool that does not have all the bells and whistles. This is very similar to the NoSQL trap, and countless other technology short-cuts you have to run into before fully understanding why they might be a trap for your org. And its the same reason why we old guys are sometimes disliked - for being critical about all these shiny, new "reinventing the wheel" tools. A tool that is not a decade old in many cases simply isn't battle proof. The problems with us "old ones" maybe starts if we make this a rule rather than a principle of caution, though...

dfc 13y ago

Why not drop the "neck-bearded" bit? Evi Nemeth had more Unix chops than 99.86% of the people on HN and no neck beard.

pekk 13y ago
Nobody was talking any shit on women.
JetSpiegel 13y ago
Neck-Beard is not about the beard, it's a state of mind.
- test1235 13y ago
  Your 'inner' neck beard, as it were.
  - JetSpiegel 13y ago
    Yes, but that sounds even worse.

cmbaus 13y ago

I'm not sure I would go as far as calling Grunt a complicated OO framework, but the first thing that crossed my mind when looking at Grunt was 'why not use make?' It may not be perfect, but at least you get incremental builds.

Cthulhu_ 13y ago
incremental builds are possible with Grunt using grunt-newer: https://github.com/tschaub/grunt-newer https://github.com/tschaub/grunt-newer

fnl 13y ago

Exactly my thoughts too, after reading the ageism article. An "old guy" (like me) would not even think twice and just "make" great use, as he has always been and with great success nor the time-consuming need of learning a possibly "unpolished" tool that does not have all the bells and whistles. This is very similar to the NoSQL trap, and countless other technology short-cuts you have to run into before fully understanding why they might be a trap for your org. And its the same reason why we old guys are sometimes disliked - for being critical about all these shiny, new "reinventing the wheel" tools. A tool that is not a decade old in many cases simply isn't battle proof. The problems with us "old ones" maybe starts if we make this a rule rather than a principle of caution, though...

fnl 13y ago