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Would you also reject Tomas Jefferson as a founding father of America because he owned slaves? Should Martin Luther King also be rejected as an icon of the civi

Would you also reject Tomas Jefferson as a founding father of America because he owned slaves? Should Martin Luther King also be rejected as an icon of the civil rights movement because he plagiarized material and had extramarital affairs with women. What people do or think in their personal lives and the value they add to a company are two different things. What about Nelson Mandella? Bill Clinton? Or all the other men with weaknesses, sins, mistakes, and flaws? Sit down with me for 5 minutes and I'll find a whole bunch of personal things about you I don't like either, but should that affect weather or not I employ you?

daeken 13y ago
> Sit down with me for 5 minutes and I'll find a whole bunch of personal things about you I don't like either "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu
general_failure 13y ago
You are picking people in the past and comparing them to the present. Continuing your line of thought..So you are saying if someone had slaves today, you would condone that act and continue supporting other stuff they make? Sorry, I would not.
- Zikes 13y ago
  He's saying that morality is independent of context, and the idea of owning slaves was just as reprehensible in the past as it is today, it was merely more socially acceptable. Much like Proposition 8 was, at the time.
orthecreedence 13y ago
If Brian had funded a political campaign to deny voting rights to all people named Chris, you may be singing a different tune. They outlined that they were personally affected by his political choices, and therefor hurt that Mozilla would promote him. This isn't about someone's personal flaws. It's about someone's actions affecting someone else personally and boycotting a company for not acknowledging that. Seems valid to me.
- ChrisNorstrom 13y ago
  I would write an article called "20 reasons why Brian should change his stance on Gay Marriage." and spread that all over the internet. It's not that their boycotting stance isn't valid, it's that I think it's not the best way to go about making the right kind of changes for the gay rights movement. You won't achieve anything by boycotting him because there's a massive amount of people just like him. Again, that's like saying I'm not supporting America because Tomas Jefferson owned slaves and there's no way a flawed man who supports slavery can create a country founded on "freedom". Despite Jefferson's flaws he still made the USA great. Like-wise, despite Brian's anti-gay stance he can still make Mozilla great. It's not Mozilla you should be hurting, it's Brian that you should be reaching out to. Mozilla and it's users are innocent so don't get them involved in all this.

daeken 13y ago

> Sit down with me for 5 minutes and I'll find a whole bunch of personal things about you I don't like either "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu

general_failure 13y ago

You are picking people in the past and comparing them to the present. Continuing your line of thought..So you are saying if someone had slaves today, you would condone that act and continue supporting other stuff they make? Sorry, I would not.

Zikes 13y ago
He's saying that morality is independent of context, and the idea of owning slaves was just as reprehensible in the past as it is today, it was merely more socially acceptable. Much like Proposition 8 was, at the time.

orthecreedence 13y ago

If Brian had funded a political campaign to deny voting rights to all people named Chris, you may be singing a different tune. They outlined that they were personally affected by his political choices, and therefor hurt that Mozilla would promote him. This isn't about someone's personal flaws. It's about someone's actions affecting someone else personally and boycotting a company for not acknowledging that. Seems valid to me.

ChrisNorstrom 13y ago
I would write an article called "20 reasons why Brian should change his stance on Gay Marriage." and spread that all over the internet. It's not that their boycotting stance isn't valid, it's that I think it's not the best way to go about making the right kind of changes for the gay rights movement. You won't achieve anything by boycotting him because there's a massive amount of people just like him. Again, that's like saying I'm not supporting America because Tomas Jefferson owned slaves and there's no way a flawed man who supports slavery can create a country founded on "freedom". Despite Jefferson's flaws he still made the USA great. Like-wise, despite Brian's anti-gay stance he can still make Mozilla great. It's not Mozilla you should be hurting, it's Brian that you should be reaching out to. Mozilla and it's users are innocent so don't get them involved in all this.