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if you read the article, you'd see they're working on OEM deals to get the tech into batteries across the board. The Box is just a nice consumer demo so people

by Blahah 13y ago

if you read the article, you'd see they're working on OEM deals to get the tech into batteries across the board. The Box is just a nice consumer demo so people can get their hands on it now. Actually a pretty smart PR move. Also, the patent: https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013142964A1 https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013142964A1

thrownaway2424 13y ago
That's a patent application, yes. Are you aware that the USPTO gets so many applications for perpetual motion patents that they have regulations forbidding them? Patent application does not in any way indicate feasibility.
- Blahah 13y ago
  I was just providing the application so people could evaluate the technology, not suggesting it was evidence of anything.
- resu_nimda 13y ago
  I believe the point was for you, with all of your infinite battery wisdom, to review the patent and possibly even use that to back up your hyperbolic "obviously snake oil" claim, but I'm not holding my breath.
XorNot 13y ago
The box, judging from that patent, is unlikely to benefit from what they're doing. In fact I can't see how anymobile devices would - a laptop has 6 - 9 Li-Ion cells and needs all of them to run all the time. A cellphone has exactly 1. The patent is proposing they're going to use capacitors/inductors to do some type of pulsed battery charging/discharging while not connected to AC power. The thing is, there's no room to move on that - you're absolutely at the mercy of the quality of those cells, since you need all of them all the time when you're running on batteries. Worse, if you have say, 3 strings of 3 like in a laptop, and you shut-off 1 string, then you're increasing your current draw from the remaining cells and losing more power to internal resistance.
- rdl 13y ago
  If you are using it as an external battery to another device with a battery, you actually can do interesting tricks and cut all power intermittently.
chillingeffect 13y ago
You said >if you read the article, you'd see they're working on OEM deals I did read the article and didn't recall that, so I re-read. This is what I saw: >It’ll take some time for Gbatteries to get its technology embedded with third-party OEMs
- Blahah 13y ago
  Good point - I came away with the inference that they are seeking to embed the tech. But as you've highlighted, they don't explicitly say that.
chillingeffect 13y ago
p.s. It appears pulse-charging lithium batteries has been around since at least 1997, judging by all these patents [1] [1] https://www.google.com/search?tbm=pts&hl=en&q=Lithium+ion+fast+pulse+charger#hl=en&q=Lithium+ion+pulse+charger&tbm=pts https://www.google.com/search?tbm=pts&hl=en&q=Lithium+ion+fa...

by Blahah 13y ago

thrownaway2424 13y ago

That's a patent application, yes. Are you aware that the USPTO gets so many applications for perpetual motion patents that they have regulations forbidding them? Patent application does not in any way indicate feasibility.

Blahah 13y ago
I was just providing the application so people could evaluate the technology, not suggesting it was evidence of anything.
resu_nimda 13y ago
I believe the point was for you, with all of your infinite battery wisdom, to review the patent and possibly even use that to back up your hyperbolic "obviously snake oil" claim, but I'm not holding my breath.

XorNot 13y ago

The box, judging from that patent, is unlikely to benefit from what they're doing. In fact I can't see how anymobile devices would - a laptop has 6 - 9 Li-Ion cells and needs all of them to run all the time. A cellphone has exactly 1. The patent is proposing they're going to use capacitors/inductors to do some type of pulsed battery charging/discharging while not connected to AC power. The thing is, there's no room to move on that - you're absolutely at the mercy of the quality of those cells, since you need all of them all the time when you're running on batteries. Worse, if you have say, 3 strings of 3 like in a laptop, and you shut-off 1 string, then you're increasing your current draw from the remaining cells and losing more power to internal resistance.

rdl 13y ago
If you are using it as an external battery to another device with a battery, you actually can do interesting tricks and cut all power intermittently.

chillingeffect 13y ago

You said >if you read the article, you'd see they're working on OEM deals I did read the article and didn't recall that, so I re-read. This is what I saw: >It’ll take some time for Gbatteries to get its technology embedded with third-party OEMs

Blahah 13y ago
Good point - I came away with the inference that they are seeking to embed the tech. But as you've highlighted, they don't explicitly say that.

chillingeffect 13y ago

p.s. It appears pulse-charging lithium batteries has been around since at least 1997, judging by all these patents [1] [1] https://www.google.com/search?tbm=pts&hl=en&q=Lithium+ion+fast+pulse+charger#hl=en&q=Lithium+ion+pulse+charger&tbm=pts https://www.google.com/search?tbm=pts&hl=en&q=Lithium+ion+fa...