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-Don't donate any more money to anti-gay laws.

by __alexs 13y ago

ufo 13y ago
Don't be misleading. Mozilla employees have the freedom to do whatever they want with their money.
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  - explorigin 13y ago
    It's a software company. Please give them the leeway to be agnostic toward non-technical social issues. Not everyone needs to express an opinion on every matter, regardless of whether they agree with you.
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- pekk 13y ago
  When you say this is misleading, are you denying that Eich donated money to anti-gay laws?
  - cleverjake 13y ago
    I believe it means that seems that you are implying mozilla donated money to anti-gay lays, as opposed to the individual.
yeukhon 13y ago
Mozilla does not do this. Individual has the freedom to pursue their political belief just as anyone can choose to work for and not work for someone you do not agree with. Just as you can vote for a President who is in favor of X solution X instead of solution Y. An open web means exactly that: everyone can participate. And by that we don't mean everyone has to agree on everything.
- __alexs 13y ago
  They don't have to agree on everything but I certainly wish they'd agree not to try and ruin each others lives.
  - mjn 13y ago
    On the scale of techies trying to ruin people's lives, I'd put the level of these donations pretty low down the list of concerns myself, even if I don't love them (Peter Thiel's right-wing donations worry me more, for example, because they are much, much larger).
    - alexqgb 13y ago
      I don't mind money going towards Libertarian asshattery because frankly, I'm happy to see it crash and burn as publicly and spectacularly as possible. Or not. In which case I'm prepared to change my views. But I'm not prepared to change my view about the 14th Amendment and the wisdom and decency of assuring basic legal equality for everyone. To my mind, that is an entirely settled issue. I'd no more go back on that than I'd tolerate a return to slavery (which, let's not forget, is the horrible error that necessitated the 14th in the first place).
      - mjn 13y ago
        You are happy to implicated in some bullshit libertarian experiment to see if it crashes and burns, harming many people, but are offended about being implicated in some bullshit Christian experiment to see if it crashes and burns, harming many people? To me, the collateral damage of Christian fuckery and libertarian fuckery are roughly comparable. But in any case, Thiel gives money not only to candidates of the Libertarian Party, but also (in fact, mainly) to the regular, anti-gay GOP. It could be that he hates gays. It could be that he doesn't, but just considers funding anti-gay propaganda to be acceptable collateral damage in a quest to promote the Republican Party's other positions. Either way, he's a much bigger problem in my mind than some small fry giving 4-figure amounts to them, because he's giving 6-figure amounts to the bigots, which they can use to promote bigotry.

-Don't donate any more money to anti-gay laws.

by __alexs 13y ago

-Don't donate any more money to anti-gay laws.

ufo 13y ago

Don't be misleading. Mozilla employees have the freedom to do whatever they want with their money.

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- explorigin 13y ago
  It's a software company. Please give them the leeway to be agnostic toward non-technical social issues. Not everyone needs to express an opinion on every matter, regardless of whether they agree with you.
  - deleted 13y ago
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pekk 13y ago
When you say this is misleading, are you denying that Eich donated money to anti-gay laws?
- cleverjake 13y ago
  I believe it means that seems that you are implying mozilla donated money to anti-gay lays, as opposed to the individual.

yeukhon 13y ago

Mozilla does not do this. Individual has the freedom to pursue their political belief just as anyone can choose to work for and not work for someone you do not agree with. Just as you can vote for a President who is in favor of X solution X instead of solution Y. An open web means exactly that: everyone can participate. And by that we don't mean everyone has to agree on everything.

__alexs 13y ago
They don't have to agree on everything but I certainly wish they'd agree not to try and ruin each others lives.
- mjn 13y ago
  On the scale of techies trying to ruin people's lives, I'd put the level of these donations pretty low down the list of concerns myself, even if I don't love them (Peter Thiel's right-wing donations worry me more, for example, because they are much, much larger).
  - alexqgb 13y ago
    I don't mind money going towards Libertarian asshattery because frankly, I'm happy to see it crash and burn as publicly and spectacularly as possible. Or not. In which case I'm prepared to change my views. But I'm not prepared to change my view about the 14th Amendment and the wisdom and decency of assuring basic legal equality for everyone. To my mind, that is an entirely settled issue. I'd no more go back on that than I'd tolerate a return to slavery (which, let's not forget, is the horrible error that necessitated the 14th in the first place).
    - mjn 13y ago
      You are happy to implicated in some bullshit libertarian experiment to see if it crashes and burns, harming many people, but are offended about being implicated in some bullshit Christian experiment to see if it crashes and burns, harming many people? To me, the collateral damage of Christian fuckery and libertarian fuckery are roughly comparable. But in any case, Thiel gives money not only to candidates of the Libertarian Party, but also (in fact, mainly) to the regular, anti-gay GOP. It could be that he hates gays. It could be that he doesn't, but just considers funding anti-gay propaganda to be acceptable collateral damage in a quest to promote the Republican Party's other positions. Either way, he's a much bigger problem in my mind than some small fry giving 4-figure amounts to them, because he's giving 6-figure amounts to the bigots, which they can use to promote bigotry.