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point taken, but it does seem very extreme. did this happen during 9/11? edit Also, are the families of NZ nationals, Australian, French etc behaving the same

by JazCE 13y ago

point taken, but it does seem very extreme. did this happen during 9/11? edit Also, are the families of NZ nationals, Australian, French etc behaving the same as the asians?

joosters 13y ago
You're still wildly over-generalising. Why do you think that the Chinese, or 'Asians' can be categorised together? Why do you think that people from a country will, as a group, behave in an identical or similar way?
- rimantas 13y ago
  Why do you think they cannot? Or do you think that the thing called "culture" does not exist? How people show or do not show grief can and is the cultural thing.
  - mikeash 13y ago
    China, let alone Asia, is not one "culture".
  - JazCE 13y ago
    I think you're the only one who understood my comment.
infruset 13y ago
Your remarks come out as really insensitive, although I don't think they were made with that intent. There is no possible way to imagine what it feels like to be in their situation.
- JazCE 13y ago
  The remarks weren't made with the intent of being cold and insensitive, though i admit i'm not the most sensitive of people. edit: who knew asking about human/cultural behaviour was so frowned upon.
  - infruset 13y ago
    The problem for me was that it felt like the people were dehumanized and reduced to their culture in a situation which is so incredibly unique and must be so difficult to bear. This being said, maybe the issue is only that of timing and your question would be more pertinent later in time, after all the emotion has settled down.
mikeash 13y ago
I have trouble figuring out exactly what you're asking here. Are you asking whether it's normal for people to scream, cry, or collapse after being told that a relative is dead? That's what it seems like, but such a question is about on the same level as asking whether it's normal for a bear to relieve himself in a forest, so I'm confused.
nathannecro 13y ago
What specifically do you deem as being "extreme"? Why are you referencing the terror attacks on 9/11? In the case of the Kiwis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI6TRTBZUMM#t=63 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI6TRTBZUMM#t=63. Is this group of screaming, chest-beating men any different in their expression of grief? In the case of the Aussies: http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/aug/02/london-2012-australia-swimmers-tears http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/aug/02/london-2012-aus.... Is this swimmer's loss really more significant than the loss of one's family and friends? I mean...no one died and this wasn't 9/11...right? Why is she crying, hiding her face, and hunched over? In the case of the French: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117014/Toulouse-shooting-Nicolas-Sarkozy-warns-theres-monster-loose.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117014/Toulouse-sho.... This woman didn't even lose any family (maybe) and yet she has smashed her fists to the window, pressed her head close to the coffins, and is openly weeping. I mean, look at these Americans: http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1360633/philip-seymour-hoffman.jpg?w=333&h=215&l=50&t=40 http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1360633/philip-seymour-hoffma... (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/philip-seymour-hoffman-actor-struggled-drug-alcohol-addiction-throughout-life-1434851 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/philip-seymour-hoffman-actor-strugg...). A freaking actor died and they're weeping and moping. My point is that I don't fully understand what your intentions were, but I feel that your comments come across as xenophobic and disrespectful to the families who are currently experiencing loss.

by JazCE 13y ago

point taken, but it does seem very extreme. did this happen during 9/11? edit Also, are the families of NZ nationals, Australian, French etc behaving the same as the asians?

joosters 13y ago

You're still wildly over-generalising. Why do you think that the Chinese, or 'Asians' can be categorised together? Why do you think that people from a country will, as a group, behave in an identical or similar way?

rimantas 13y ago
Why do you think they cannot? Or do you think that the thing called "culture" does not exist? How people show or do not show grief can and is the cultural thing.
- mikeash 13y ago
  China, let alone Asia, is not one "culture".
- JazCE 13y ago
  I think you're the only one who understood my comment.

infruset 13y ago

Your remarks come out as really insensitive, although I don't think they were made with that intent. There is no possible way to imagine what it feels like to be in their situation.

JazCE 13y ago
The remarks weren't made with the intent of being cold and insensitive, though i admit i'm not the most sensitive of people. edit: who knew asking about human/cultural behaviour was so frowned upon.
- infruset 13y ago
  The problem for me was that it felt like the people were dehumanized and reduced to their culture in a situation which is so incredibly unique and must be so difficult to bear. This being said, maybe the issue is only that of timing and your question would be more pertinent later in time, after all the emotion has settled down.

mikeash 13y ago

I have trouble figuring out exactly what you're asking here. Are you asking whether it's normal for people to scream, cry, or collapse after being told that a relative is dead? That's what it seems like, but such a question is about on the same level as asking whether it's normal for a bear to relieve himself in a forest, so I'm confused.

nathannecro 13y ago

What specifically do you deem as being "extreme"? Why are you referencing the terror attacks on 9/11? In the case of the Kiwis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI6TRTBZUMM#t=63 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI6TRTBZUMM#t=63. Is this group of screaming, chest-beating men any different in their expression of grief? In the case of the Aussies: http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/aug/02/london-2012-australia-swimmers-tears http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/aug/02/london-2012-aus.... Is this swimmer's loss really more significant than the loss of one's family and friends? I mean...no one died and this wasn't 9/11...right? Why is she crying, hiding her face, and hunched over? In the case of the French: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117014/Toulouse-shooting-Nicolas-Sarkozy-warns-theres-monster-loose.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117014/Toulouse-sho.... This woman didn't even lose any family (maybe) and yet she has smashed her fists to the window, pressed her head close to the coffins, and is openly weeping. I mean, look at these Americans: http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1360633/philip-seymour-hoffman.jpg?w=333&h=215&l=50&t=40 http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1360633/philip-seymour-hoffma... (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/philip-seymour-hoffman-actor-struggled-drug-alcohol-addiction-throughout-life-1434851 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/philip-seymour-hoffman-actor-strugg...). A freaking actor died and they're weeping and moping. My point is that I don't fully understand what your intentions were, but I feel that your comments come across as xenophobic and disrespectful to the families who are currently experiencing loss.