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I invite you to waste your time. I'll not be wasting any more of mine on this absurd thread.

etherael 13y ago
Fair enough, I don't care enough about social media to build such a platform at any rate, I just don't agree with your assertion that peer to peer systems involving key management are a lost cause.
- kiiski 13y ago
  Freenet[1] does actually have a decentralized social network plugin, sone[2]. It's not exactly user friendly, but at least it seems to prove that if people care about these things enough, they will use a solution even if it is difficult. By making the user experience simpler (less technical), one should be able to lower the bar significantly. It's worth noting that everything in the sone-guide[2] could be done automatically; freenet just isn't designed for simplicty. [1]https://freenetproject.org https://freenetproject.org [2]http://freesocial.draketo.de/sone_en.html http://freesocial.draketo.de/sone_en.html
nitrogen 13y ago
If anything in this thread is absurd, it is your outright dismissal of the notion that users will ever change the status quo, using Tor of all things as your example. If Tor can create an adequate UX for an onion router, why couldn't someone create a decent UX for a distributed secure messaging system?
- icebraining 13y ago
  Playing nknighthb's advocate, the point is, you can convince people to use Tor, because they are directly affected by the ban, without having to convince everyone who uses Twitter to use Tor, while you would have to convince everyone who uses Twitter to use your system instead, even the people who have no obvious reason for doing so.
  - nitrogen 13y ago
    This is a good point; people might see Tor as a one-time step they have to do to continue doing exactly what they did before, rather than a complete change to their digital routine. Still, I hope people keep building distributed alternatives; eventually someone might just get the right UX at the right time. I normally wouldn't have been so harsh in my wording, especially when jumping into the middle of a thread, but I guess the words "waste" and "absurd" seemed hostile enough to set me off.

Fair enough, I don't care enough about social media to build such a platform at any rate, I just don't agree with your assertion that peer to peer systems involving key management are a lost cause.

kiiski 13y ago
Freenet[1] does actually have a decentralized social network plugin, sone[2]. It's not exactly user friendly, but at least it seems to prove that if people care about these things enough, they will use a solution even if it is difficult. By making the user experience simpler (less technical), one should be able to lower the bar significantly. It's worth noting that everything in the sone-guide[2] could be done automatically; freenet just isn't designed for simplicty. [1]https://freenetproject.org https://freenetproject.org [2]http://freesocial.draketo.de/sone_en.html http://freesocial.draketo.de/sone_en.html

nitrogen 13y ago

If anything in this thread is absurd, it is your outright dismissal of the notion that users will ever change the status quo, using Tor of all things as your example. If Tor can create an adequate UX for an onion router, why couldn't someone create a decent UX for a distributed secure messaging system?

icebraining 13y ago
Playing nknighthb's advocate, the point is, you can convince people to use Tor, because they are directly affected by the ban, without having to convince everyone who uses Twitter to use Tor, while you would have to convince everyone who uses Twitter to use your system instead, even the people who have no obvious reason for doing so.
- nitrogen 13y ago
  This is a good point; people might see Tor as a one-time step they have to do to continue doing exactly what they did before, rather than a complete change to their digital routine. Still, I hope people keep building distributed alternatives; eventually someone might just get the right UX at the right time. I normally wouldn't have been so harsh in my wording, especially when jumping into the middle of a thread, but I guess the words "waste" and "absurd" seemed hostile enough to set me off.