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People care about products, not protocols.

by d0vs 13y ago

01Michael10 13y ago
I want an IM messaging product where I can communicate with almost anyone...
- hayksaakian 13y ago
  SMS solves that problem for people who have that specific problem.
  - 01Michael10 13y ago
    Wrong, you should have read the article to understand the advantages and disadvantages of SMS and messaging. Disadvantages of SMS is that it is tied to a phone number (no privacy) and is expensive in most of the world. These are not issues with messaging but it does suffer from not having a standard protocol that everyone can use like SMS. SMS is stuck where it is at now but it's certainly possible for messaging to be much more then it is now.
    - unsignedint 13y ago
      There are another aspects that SMS is bad at: - Crossing a border with SMS is rather expensive. Only recently that T-mobile finally dropping 35 cents charge for international SMSes, not sure about others... - UTF-8 implementation sucked until recently. I think it is still unpredictable if it cross carrier. - Group SMS is non-existant, although MMS can handles it. (and if you have someone uses sonething like Google Voice, forget group messaging... although it is probably Google Voice who would deserve some blames.) But there is no way to get receipients' capabilities.
      - pjmlp 13y ago
        What?! In Europe we have pre-paid packages with flat rate SMS.
        unsignedint 13y ago
        It's similar, if it's domestic SMS. (In fact, a lot of plans no longer offer "flat rate SMS" rather they are built into now ubiquitous "unlimited" plans. Other than some carriers offering extra international SMS options, it's certainly not is a standard. I am not very sure about how it really works in Europe, but I have feeling that EU countries have more comprehensive arrangements for calling/texting/roaming across their borders, or at least I wouldn't be too surprising even if so.
        pjmlp 13y ago
        Yes, in Germany we do have "EU flatrate", a set of "favorite countries" or a big package like 500 SMS for foreign numbers. The option depends per operator.
- rosem 13y ago
  We're building that. http://spo.tt http://spo.tt No phone number, email, or username required to connect with anyone, anywhere.
shmerl 13y ago
No, people care about interoperability and communication, not about products.

People care about products, not protocols.

by d0vs 13y ago

People care about products, not protocols.

01Michael10 13y ago

I want an IM messaging product where I can communicate with almost anyone...

hayksaakian 13y ago
SMS solves that problem for people who have that specific problem.
- 01Michael10 13y ago
  Wrong, you should have read the article to understand the advantages and disadvantages of SMS and messaging. Disadvantages of SMS is that it is tied to a phone number (no privacy) and is expensive in most of the world. These are not issues with messaging but it does suffer from not having a standard protocol that everyone can use like SMS. SMS is stuck where it is at now but it's certainly possible for messaging to be much more then it is now.
  - unsignedint 13y ago
    There are another aspects that SMS is bad at: - Crossing a border with SMS is rather expensive. Only recently that T-mobile finally dropping 35 cents charge for international SMSes, not sure about others... - UTF-8 implementation sucked until recently. I think it is still unpredictable if it cross carrier. - Group SMS is non-existant, although MMS can handles it. (and if you have someone uses sonething like Google Voice, forget group messaging... although it is probably Google Voice who would deserve some blames.) But there is no way to get receipients' capabilities.
    - pjmlp 13y ago
      What?! In Europe we have pre-paid packages with flat rate SMS.
      - unsignedint 13y ago
        It's similar, if it's domestic SMS. (In fact, a lot of plans no longer offer "flat rate SMS" rather they are built into now ubiquitous "unlimited" plans. Other than some carriers offering extra international SMS options, it's certainly not is a standard. I am not very sure about how it really works in Europe, but I have feeling that EU countries have more comprehensive arrangements for calling/texting/roaming across their borders, or at least I wouldn't be too surprising even if so.
        pjmlp 13y ago
        Yes, in Germany we do have "EU flatrate", a set of "favorite countries" or a big package like 500 SMS for foreign numbers. The option depends per operator.
rosem 13y ago
We're building that. http://spo.tt http://spo.tt No phone number, email, or username required to connect with anyone, anywhere.

shmerl 13y ago

No, people care about interoperability and communication, not about products.