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Taking steroids doesn't reduce the effort in getting abs and muscles. You still have to put in a heckuva effort to build that muscle.

sanoli 13y ago
Doesn't reduce the effort? Are you sure? To build the same amount of new muscle mass, who needs to put more effort: the natural lifter, or the one taking large doses of steroids? C'mon, I lift regularly with people on the juice. They put in a lot of effort, sure, but so do I, and they've built a lot more muscle.
- jp555 13y ago
  Steroids significantly reduce recovery time, so you can go back and deliver another "build muscle" stimulus sooner than without the steroids (if you chronically lift before you recover you'll LOSE muscle mass). But you cannot avoid the work, you still need to work just as hard to deliver the stimulus.
  - sanoli 13y ago
    By what you're saying, someone who is lifting and taking adequate rest between sessions, ensuring that they get enough rest, won't benefit from taking steroids if they don't change their schedule? I'm saying steroids reduce recovery time, AND build muscle more easily. You're saying it's just the former.
    - jp555 13y ago
      I would say the way steroids build muscle more easily is via reducing recovery. The person you present would get that benefit, be able to train more frequently and grow faster than a person doing the exact same things except not taking steriods. Steroids also allow one to exceed their genetic strength maximum, but unless you're already banging up against that wall (say 10-15 years of sustained excellent programming, diet, & rest; and maybe half that if taking steroids the whole time) their benefit is almost entirely speeding recovery time.
      - sanoli 13y ago
        I didn't know that. Do you have any links that explain this so I could read more on it?
        jp555 13y ago
        here's a great overview of maximum genetic muscular potential which touches on the role steroids can play. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-geneti...

sanoli 13y ago

Doesn't reduce the effort? Are you sure? To build the same amount of new muscle mass, who needs to put more effort: the natural lifter, or the one taking large doses of steroids? C'mon, I lift regularly with people on the juice. They put in a lot of effort, sure, but so do I, and they've built a lot more muscle.

jp555 13y ago
Steroids significantly reduce recovery time, so you can go back and deliver another "build muscle" stimulus sooner than without the steroids (if you chronically lift before you recover you'll LOSE muscle mass). But you cannot avoid the work, you still need to work just as hard to deliver the stimulus.
- sanoli 13y ago
  By what you're saying, someone who is lifting and taking adequate rest between sessions, ensuring that they get enough rest, won't benefit from taking steroids if they don't change their schedule? I'm saying steroids reduce recovery time, AND build muscle more easily. You're saying it's just the former.
  - jp555 13y ago
    I would say the way steroids build muscle more easily is via reducing recovery. The person you present would get that benefit, be able to train more frequently and grow faster than a person doing the exact same things except not taking steriods. Steroids also allow one to exceed their genetic strength maximum, but unless you're already banging up against that wall (say 10-15 years of sustained excellent programming, diet, & rest; and maybe half that if taking steroids the whole time) their benefit is almost entirely speeding recovery time.
    - sanoli 13y ago
      I didn't know that. Do you have any links that explain this so I could read more on it?
      - jp555 13y ago
        here's a great overview of maximum genetic muscular potential which touches on the role steroids can play. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-geneti...