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Can you elaborate on how a test might cause permanent damage? Keep in mind that it should be clear whether significant damage is occurring quite soon after it r

by jfoster 13y ago

Can you elaborate on how a test might cause permanent damage? Keep in mind that it should be clear whether significant damage is occurring quite soon after it rolls out. (Eg. Whether comments are getting approved, rate of comments, etc.)

jonesetc 13y ago
I meant it to go along with the rest of the paragraph. I think you'll see people turn around at the door with this policy. I would have.
- jfoster 13y ago
  That's certainly a possibility. It would show up in HN's metrics. (perhaps not visible to you and I, though) On the other hand, you might also see more people coming in the door. What if this makes conversation on HN so much better that more people want to get involved? The one thing that is certain with the new system is that if your comments are abusive, they will probably not get endorsed. Perhaps at first they will (protesting 1k+ karma users) but eventually anyone who is endorsing poor quality comments would likely lose the ability to endorse. At a minimum, I think this a really interesting experiment.
  - tripzilch 13y ago
    > protesting 1k+ karma users well, I'm going to voice my concerns and complain about it, but I'm not going to sabotage the system out of spite. that's childish. > but eventually anyone who is endorsing poor quality comments would likely lose the ability to endorse. If that happens it'll be because some invisible moderator has a different idea about "quality comments" than I do. If it happens, I will lose the ability over endorsing puns.
amjd 13y ago
The thing is, this is a kind of change which makes it difficult to know the real impact since the users who would have a problem with it are the ones losing their voice (until a karma elite user intervenes, of course). That's one of the reasons most people are opposed to this.
- jfoster 13y ago
  Everyone can see pending comments, though. At a minimum, everyone has the potential to find out if there might be a problem. https://news.ycombinator.com/pending https://news.ycombinator.com/pending
  - WiseWeasel 13y ago
    The problem will be the low signal-to-noise ratio, making that section unbearable.
  - kiiski 13y ago
    I don't think that is correct. I can access the page, but I can't see any comments there. I have 393 karma at the moment.
    - james-skemp 13y ago
      This was shut off around 4 hours ago, in case any issues came up while he slept. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7447790 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7447790
001sky 13y ago
Eg, if this policy precludes 1-on-1 dialogue between sub 1k users, that would (arguably) be a dis-service. It would be "permanent" in the sense that the rules# logically don't allow a two party conversation (ie, absent a 3rd party "endorsement"). So this meets the test of "damage" and "permanence" at some threshold. # The original ones, at least.

by jfoster 13y ago

jonesetc 13y ago

I meant it to go along with the rest of the paragraph. I think you'll see people turn around at the door with this policy. I would have.

jfoster 13y ago
That's certainly a possibility. It would show up in HN's metrics. (perhaps not visible to you and I, though) On the other hand, you might also see more people coming in the door. What if this makes conversation on HN so much better that more people want to get involved? The one thing that is certain with the new system is that if your comments are abusive, they will probably not get endorsed. Perhaps at first they will (protesting 1k+ karma users) but eventually anyone who is endorsing poor quality comments would likely lose the ability to endorse. At a minimum, I think this a really interesting experiment.
- tripzilch 13y ago
  > protesting 1k+ karma users well, I'm going to voice my concerns and complain about it, but I'm not going to sabotage the system out of spite. that's childish. > but eventually anyone who is endorsing poor quality comments would likely lose the ability to endorse. If that happens it'll be because some invisible moderator has a different idea about "quality comments" than I do. If it happens, I will lose the ability over endorsing puns.

amjd 13y ago

The thing is, this is a kind of change which makes it difficult to know the real impact since the users who would have a problem with it are the ones losing their voice (until a karma elite user intervenes, of course). That's one of the reasons most people are opposed to this.

jfoster 13y ago
Everyone can see pending comments, though. At a minimum, everyone has the potential to find out if there might be a problem. https://news.ycombinator.com/pending https://news.ycombinator.com/pending
- WiseWeasel 13y ago
  The problem will be the low signal-to-noise ratio, making that section unbearable.
- kiiski 13y ago
  I don't think that is correct. I can access the page, but I can't see any comments there. I have 393 karma at the moment.
  - james-skemp 13y ago
    This was shut off around 4 hours ago, in case any issues came up while he slept. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7447790 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7447790

001sky 13y ago

Eg, if this policy precludes 1-on-1 dialogue between sub 1k users, that would (arguably) be a dis-service. It would be "permanent" in the sense that the rules# logically don't allow a two party conversation (ie, absent a 3rd party "endorsement"). So this meets the test of "damage" and "permanence" at some threshold. # The original ones, at least.