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>Because you don't live in a vacuum. Our society makes it possible so that you can earn a living. This argument doesn't hold water for me. Society makes it po
by tsotha 13y ago
>Because you don't live in a vacuum. Our society makes it possible so that you can earn a living.
This argument doesn't hold water for me. Society makes it possible for everyone to earn a living, so people who aren't doing it should start.
- bryanlarsen 13y agoexcept for kids, seniors, the mentally ill, the physically disabled, et cetera.
- orthecreedence 13y ago> so people who aren't doing it should start But they won't. It's safe to say that lazy people are good at being lazy and will find a way to be lazy no matter what system they're in. Pretending we can build a system that eradicates laziness in an exercise in futility. It's better to accept the fact that a fixed percentage of people are only going to take while most others give (and take), and stop wasting the enormous overhead trying to figure out which is which.
- tsotha 13y ago>Pretending we can build a system that eradicates laziness in an exercise in futility. Not at all. You know what eradicates laziness? Hunger.
- orthecreedence 13y agoI'd argue hunger promotes stealing more than eradicates laziness.
- 6d0debc071 13y ago> Society makes it possible for everyone to earn a living Do you have evidence of the size and nature of job vacancies compared to the skills and number of the unemployed?
- tsotha 13y agoWell then, I'm confused. OP said society made it possible for me to make a living.
- 6d0debc071 13y agoAh, I think I see what you mean. While I can't speak for OP: Without a society there'd be no education system, no legal tender, no laws protecting employees, no laws protecting companies, no infrastructure supporting it - and so on. So society makes it possible for people to have jobs. There's an old saying that it takes a village to raise a child, which tends to indicate that the group has had a lot of input to the success of the individual for a long time. I can't even imagine how something as complex as the prerequisites for programming would work without a society. State of nature economies. I suppose you could have small family groups at some point on the hunter-gatherer to farming spectrum, but the minute those families come together into groups and start to develop more complex interactions... that looks mightily like a society to me. But it doesn't follow from that that society makes it possible for everyone to have a job. Just that those who do could not without one. It's very close to being the same underlying logical form that goes: 'All cats are four-legged mammals. Buts not all four-legged animals are cats.' All employees are enabled by a society. But not all people in a society are so enabled.
- tsotha 13y agoSo the people who don't work... what are they providing me?
- tarblog 13y agoTo say that it makes it possible for everyone is unrealistic. Not everyone can find a job right now, and not necessarily for lack of trying.