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Because you don't live in a vacuum. Our society makes it possible so that you can earn a living. You're just paying back for having that opportunity to those th

by assface 13y ago

Because you don't live in a vacuum. Our society makes it possible so that you can earn a living. You're just paying back for having that opportunity to those that are less fortunate.

ahomescu1 13y ago
Those that are less fortunate aren't also the ones that make it possible for me to earn a living. Police, teachers, firemen, road workers and some others do all that, work hard at it, and I appreciate their contribution. They're not the ones we're talking about here.
- hahainternet 13y ago
  As soon as a policeman gets fired, he becomes worthless to you?
  - ahomescu1 13y ago
    That's an excessive over-simplification of my point. And to answer you: no, he doesn't become "worthless" to me (whatever that may mean), but I will stop paying him for his services.
    - hahainternet 13y ago
      The fact is that the healthiest situation for any society is for every member to be able to afford to meet their basic needs with a little extra income. This is clearly not possible through a purely free job market. 'Sacrificing' some of your income to maintain this society and permit mobility is in your best interests. Who's to say you won't be the next one fired, or your child?
tsotha 13y ago
>Because you don't live in a vacuum. Our society makes it possible so that you can earn a living. This argument doesn't hold water for me. Society makes it possible for everyone to earn a living, so people who aren't doing it should start.
- bryanlarsen 13y ago
  except for kids, seniors, the mentally ill, the physically disabled, et cetera.
- orthecreedence 13y ago
  > so people who aren't doing it should start But they won't. It's safe to say that lazy people are good at being lazy and will find a way to be lazy no matter what system they're in. Pretending we can build a system that eradicates laziness in an exercise in futility. It's better to accept the fact that a fixed percentage of people are only going to take while most others give (and take), and stop wasting the enormous overhead trying to figure out which is which.
  - tsotha 13y ago
    >Pretending we can build a system that eradicates laziness in an exercise in futility. Not at all. You know what eradicates laziness? Hunger.
    - orthecreedence 13y ago
      I'd argue hunger promotes stealing more than eradicates laziness.
- 6d0debc071 13y ago
  > Society makes it possible for everyone to earn a living Do you have evidence of the size and nature of job vacancies compared to the skills and number of the unemployed?
  - tsotha 13y ago
    Well then, I'm confused. OP said society made it possible for me to make a living.
    - 6d0debc071 13y ago

by assface 13y ago

Because you don't live in a vacuum. Our society makes it possible so that you can earn a living. You're just paying back for having that opportunity to those that are less fortunate.

ahomescu1 13y ago

Those that are less fortunate aren't also the ones that make it possible for me to earn a living. Police, teachers, firemen, road workers and some others do all that, work hard at it, and I appreciate their contribution. They're not the ones we're talking about here.

hahainternet 13y ago
As soon as a policeman gets fired, he becomes worthless to you?
- ahomescu1 13y ago
  That's an excessive over-simplification of my point. And to answer you: no, he doesn't become "worthless" to me (whatever that may mean), but I will stop paying him for his services.
  - hahainternet 13y ago
    The fact is that the healthiest situation for any society is for every member to be able to afford to meet their basic needs with a little extra income. This is clearly not possible through a purely free job market. 'Sacrificing' some of your income to maintain this society and permit mobility is in your best interests. Who's to say you won't be the next one fired, or your child?

tsotha 13y ago

>Because you don't live in a vacuum. Our society makes it possible so that you can earn a living. This argument doesn't hold water for me. Society makes it possible for everyone to earn a living, so people who aren't doing it should start.

bryanlarsen 13y ago
except for kids, seniors, the mentally ill, the physically disabled, et cetera.
orthecreedence 13y ago
> so people who aren't doing it should start But they won't. It's safe to say that lazy people are good at being lazy and will find a way to be lazy no matter what system they're in. Pretending we can build a system that eradicates laziness in an exercise in futility. It's better to accept the fact that a fixed percentage of people are only going to take while most others give (and take), and stop wasting the enormous overhead trying to figure out which is which.
- tsotha 13y ago
  >Pretending we can build a system that eradicates laziness in an exercise in futility. Not at all. You know what eradicates laziness? Hunger.
  - orthecreedence 13y ago
    I'd argue hunger promotes stealing more than eradicates laziness.
6d0debc071 13y ago
> Society makes it possible for everyone to earn a living Do you have evidence of the size and nature of job vacancies compared to the skills and number of the unemployed?
- tsotha 13y ago
  Well then, I'm confused. OP said society made it possible for me to make a living.
  - 6d0debc071 13y ago