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If anything like basic income happens expect immigration to be halted and birthright citizenship grants to be ended. The value and meaning of citizenship will r
by a8da6b0c91d 13y ago
If anything like basic income happens expect immigration to be halted and birthright citizenship grants to be ended. The value and meaning of citizenship will rapidly change and tolerance for outsiders taking a slice of the pie will rapidly plunge. I think there will be a lot of ramifications like this that most people probably aren't considering.
- dlubarov 13y agoBut the pie grows larger as more people enter the economy (though it may be sublinear).
- julespitt 13y agoDefinitely true, it's just that people don't know that or want to believe it.
- a8da6b0c91d 13y agoEvery attempt at analyzing this for the US economy I have seen concludes that immigration is at best a wash for the people who were already US citizens. It does, however, have the effect of worsening income disparity. Capital benefits while low income wages are driven down. Of course one also has to consider environmental costs.
- MBlume 13y agoThe pie grows larger as people enter the economy who were brought there by the desire to get a free income? I support the proposal, but come on
- avmich 13y agoReally?.. I think BI per se might change the landscape somewhat - and that depends on its scale - but "rapidly change" - no, you don't principally differentiate strangers with passports from strangers without.
- derefr 13y agoAlaska has its Permanent Fund Dividend, which is a kind of basic income coming from state oil sales. How hard is it to get Alaskan citizenship?
- japhyr 13y agoYou have to live here for a full calendar year before you can apply for the dividend. Even then, the dividend is only $800-$1200 per year, hardly enough to offset the higher cost of living in AK.
- chavesn 13y agoUm, one small difference, you have to be a resident of Alaska for at least a year, intend to remain a permanent resident and not be absent more than 180 days without a valid reason. [1] [1]: http://pfd.alaska.gov/Eligibility/EligibilityRequirements http://pfd.alaska.gov/Eligibility/EligibilityRequirements
- mcherm 13y agoAll reasonable restrictions to apply to a national Basic Income program.
- alexeisadeski3 13y agoIn what way is that a difference?
- MBlume 13y agoLiving in Alaska for a year is a steeper obstacle than living most places.
- baddox 13y agoI think there are sufficient disincentives for living in Alaska to cancel that out.
- Houshalter 13y agoAs a US state, Alaska can't halt immigration to the state (at least not from US citizens.) If Alaska was it's own country, I would bet they would have pretty severe restrictions on immigration.
- dragonwriter 13y ago> If anything like basic income happens expect immigration to be halted and birthright citizenship grants to be ended. Why? Doesn't make a lot of sense. To the extent that immigration might strain a BI system, there are much smaller changes that would allow managing the impacts, while still maintaining the basic high-level structure of the existing citizen and immigration system.
- noenzyme 13y agoThere is an underlying premise that only the US will have a basic income. If robots/AI do most of the labor there is no (long term) reason why all countries can't offer basic income to their citizens.
- Florin_Andrei 13y ago> If robots/AI do most of the labor Exactly. But we're not there yet, and possibly not very close.
- seanalltogether 13y agoThe swiss referendum for basic income also referred to "citizen" income as well, knowing full well that 20% of their population has immigrant status. Steal from the poor to feed the middle.
- alexeisadeski3 13y agoSteal from the poor to feed the middle. Has served Europe well for the past fifty years or so.
- huherto 13y agoMay be not, other countries may move in that direction. Furthermore, they may even move faster. For example, Mexico already passed a universal income law for people over 65.