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Windows 7 review - Gizmodo

29 points by mrlebowski 17y ago

mrlebowski 17y ago
If I remember correctly, there was much hype before Vista was released two, but it in real world usage, it soon slowed down a perfectly good computer within 1-2 months. I hope this is not the case with Windows 7 too.
- fatdog789 17y ago
  The RC has been out for a few months now, and that problem hasn't shown up. The Beta has been out for almost a year now, and that problem has not shown up.
- anigbrowl 17y ago
  It's fine. I was put off by Vista and stuck with XP at home, but after months of running the RC there are no signs of performance degradation. I've had one crash in all that time and I wish it would pop up a little bubble to inform me when the Wi-fi has died, rather than waiting for me to realize my pages aren't loading before looking at the screen. Otherwise I am a happy user. My only real gripe is that it's expensive and I've gotten used to running the super mega ultimate edition or whatever it's called. It's just an OS, sell it for $99 and have done with it instead of pointless market segmentation which drives people to the torrents. You'll note that these criticisms are all to do with corporate rather than technical.
  - runinit 17y ago
    It still needs a good defrag once in a while.
- likpok 17y ago
  Every release of windows ever has doubled the system requirements. Except this one. So it should (depending on OEM crapware, etc) be a bit snappier.
pkulak 17y ago
"If you're coming from a Mac, you'll—-hahahahaha. But seriously, even the Mactards will have to tone down their nasal David Spadian snide, at least a little bit." For a second there I thought it was going to be a serious article.
- alanthonyc 17y ago
  You can get beyond that statement - the article isn't bad.
  - electromagnetic 17y ago
    It's obviously not a good article, it's obviously highly biased against Apple, which means it's either pro MS or pro Open Source, and it certainly didn't appear to be promoting the open source movement from how much I could tolerate of the article.
    - alanthonyc 17y ago
      Sorry, I don't see how either of those points are obvious. I don't understand how a stand-alone, non-comparative review of an operating system can be biased against any other OS, Apple or otherwise. I may be missing out on something, so if you could point it out, I would appreciate it.
- thenduks 17y ago
  I stopped there, too. I guess I haven't read enough gizmodo to have expected it. Later, I brought myself to read the whole article and it was better... Still, considering the alternative's to Windows available these days -- the article doesn't persuade me at all.
  - tvon 17y ago
    This is the team that went around at CES turning off displays with a universal remote of sorts.... they aren't exactly the pinnacle of online journalism.
mrshoe 17y ago
As someone who officially became a desktop OS interface nerd while playing with Dynapad (http://hci.ucsd.edu/lab/dynapad.htm http://hci.ucsd.edu/lab/dynapad.htm), it frustrates me how risk averse the big OS vendors are. They have all the market share, infrastructure, marketing, and engineering talent to pull of something really incredible, but they opt not to do so. I understand that they don't want to disrupt their user base with something too radical. That makes sense to me. However, with the next version of Windows, Microsoft had nothing to lose. Everyone hated Vista and most people avoided upgrading to it. Why not treat this failure as a huge opportunity to do something new and interesting? They could have pushed the state of the art of desktop operating systems way forward, and possibly taken away that smug feeling of superiority us Mac users have enjoyed for years. Instead they just polished up a subset of Vista's warts. Oh well.
- kylec 17y ago
  You're describing Microsoft's Longhorn project, at least in the beginning. It was going to be a whole new everything, with advanced features like WinFS getting shelved as the project schedule kept slipping, ultimately ending as the half-baked XP facelift known as Vista.
  - mrshoe 17y ago
    Longhorn was never slated to be nearly as revolutionary as what I had in mind. However, Longhorn's fate might prove wrong my statement about Microsoft's engineering (management) talent.
- anigbrowl 17y ago
  Bad pdf links and no screenshots at that website. Dissertation on same here from 2006 http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1195569 http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1195569 but it's behind a paywall. It does sound interesting - if the project has gained a new name or other resources exist I'd like to know more.
  - mrshoe 17y ago
    It is quite cool. It's a shame they don't maintain that web site. Those PDF links worked not long ago... The only way to find out more now might be to email the project at dynapad@hci.ucsd.edu or the author of that paper at dsbauer@cogsci.ucsd.edu.
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wyday 17y ago
"Microsoft, just fix the unwieldy Control Panel interface, please." That screenshot is not accurate. You have to work to get it that ugly. (That is, he change the "View by" to large icons). The control panel is incredibly usable with its default layout. I didn't read the rest of it, no point. I'm using Windows 7 right now and it's great. It puts XP and Vista to shame.
- thras 17y ago
  I'm running all three. And to be honest, I don't notice that many differences between Vista and Windows 7 beyond the task bar. Maybe the differences are there, but I don't notice them. There are a lot of little things missing in XP that annoy me. My feeling is that all the positive stuff about 7 wells up from the Microsoft marketing buzz. Not a bad thing, since all of the negative stuff about Vista was anti-Microsoft marketing buzz. But it's just as content free.
  - zmimon 17y ago
    I have a theory that at least half the improvements from Win7 have been quietly slipped into Vista without telling anyone. Or vice versa. For me Vista with it's latest updates is rock solid, fast and slick. I want to update to Win7 but I'm having trouble justifying it to myself (mainly just the time factor, but I also think MS pricing is outrageous - they are about double what they should be).
rivo 17y ago
I wonder if there's any speed improvement compared to XP/Vista after you've installed a dozen applications. It's almost ridiculous that it takes my PC up to five minutes from pushing the power button before I can start working.
BearOfNH 17y ago
If you upgrade from (32-bit) XP to Win7, do you need to reinstall all your apps? Isn't that an important issue for a lot of folks? Yet no comment either way in the review...

29 points by mrlebowski 17y ago

If I remember correctly, there was much hype before Vista was released two, but it in real world usage, it soon slowed down a perfectly good computer within 1-2 months. I hope this is not the case with Windows 7 too.

fatdog789 17y ago
The RC has been out for a few months now, and that problem hasn't shown up. The Beta has been out for almost a year now, and that problem has not shown up.
anigbrowl 17y ago
It's fine. I was put off by Vista and stuck with XP at home, but after months of running the RC there are no signs of performance degradation. I've had one crash in all that time and I wish it would pop up a little bubble to inform me when the Wi-fi has died, rather than waiting for me to realize my pages aren't loading before looking at the screen. Otherwise I am a happy user. My only real gripe is that it's expensive and I've gotten used to running the super mega ultimate edition or whatever it's called. It's just an OS, sell it for $99 and have done with it instead of pointless market segmentation which drives people to the torrents. You'll note that these criticisms are all to do with corporate rather than technical.
- runinit 17y ago
  It still needs a good defrag once in a while.
likpok 17y ago
Every release of windows ever has doubled the system requirements. Except this one. So it should (depending on OEM crapware, etc) be a bit snappier.

pkulak 17y ago

"If you're coming from a Mac, you'll—-hahahahaha. But seriously, even the Mactards will have to tone down their nasal David Spadian snide, at least a little bit." For a second there I thought it was going to be a serious article.

alanthonyc 17y ago
You can get beyond that statement - the article isn't bad.
- electromagnetic 17y ago
  It's obviously not a good article, it's obviously highly biased against Apple, which means it's either pro MS or pro Open Source, and it certainly didn't appear to be promoting the open source movement from how much I could tolerate of the article.
  - alanthonyc 17y ago
    Sorry, I don't see how either of those points are obvious. I don't understand how a stand-alone, non-comparative review of an operating system can be biased against any other OS, Apple or otherwise. I may be missing out on something, so if you could point it out, I would appreciate it.
thenduks 17y ago
I stopped there, too. I guess I haven't read enough gizmodo to have expected it. Later, I brought myself to read the whole article and it was better... Still, considering the alternative's to Windows available these days -- the article doesn't persuade me at all.
- tvon 17y ago
  This is the team that went around at CES turning off displays with a universal remote of sorts.... they aren't exactly the pinnacle of online journalism.

mrshoe 17y ago

As someone who officially became a desktop OS interface nerd while playing with Dynapad (http://hci.ucsd.edu/lab/dynapad.htm http://hci.ucsd.edu/lab/dynapad.htm), it frustrates me how risk averse the big OS vendors are. They have all the market share, infrastructure, marketing, and engineering talent to pull of something really incredible, but they opt not to do so. I understand that they don't want to disrupt their user base with something too radical. That makes sense to me. However, with the next version of Windows, Microsoft had nothing to lose. Everyone hated Vista and most people avoided upgrading to it. Why not treat this failure as a huge opportunity to do something new and interesting? They could have pushed the state of the art of desktop operating systems way forward, and possibly taken away that smug feeling of superiority us Mac users have enjoyed for years. Instead they just polished up a subset of Vista's warts. Oh well.

kylec 17y ago
You're describing Microsoft's Longhorn project, at least in the beginning. It was going to be a whole new everything, with advanced features like WinFS getting shelved as the project schedule kept slipping, ultimately ending as the half-baked XP facelift known as Vista.
- mrshoe 17y ago
  Longhorn was never slated to be nearly as revolutionary as what I had in mind. However, Longhorn's fate might prove wrong my statement about Microsoft's engineering (management) talent.
anigbrowl 17y ago
Bad pdf links and no screenshots at that website. Dissertation on same here from 2006 http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1195569 http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1195569 but it's behind a paywall. It does sound interesting - if the project has gained a new name or other resources exist I'd like to know more.
- mrshoe 17y ago
  It is quite cool. It's a shame they don't maintain that web site. Those PDF links worked not long ago... The only way to find out more now might be to email the project at dynapad@hci.ucsd.edu or the author of that paper at dsbauer@cogsci.ucsd.edu.

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wyday 17y ago

"Microsoft, just fix the unwieldy Control Panel interface, please." That screenshot is not accurate. You have to work to get it that ugly. (That is, he change the "View by" to large icons). The control panel is incredibly usable with its default layout. I didn't read the rest of it, no point. I'm using Windows 7 right now and it's great. It puts XP and Vista to shame.

thras 17y ago
I'm running all three. And to be honest, I don't notice that many differences between Vista and Windows 7 beyond the task bar. Maybe the differences are there, but I don't notice them. There are a lot of little things missing in XP that annoy me. My feeling is that all the positive stuff about 7 wells up from the Microsoft marketing buzz. Not a bad thing, since all of the negative stuff about Vista was anti-Microsoft marketing buzz. But it's just as content free.
- zmimon 17y ago
  I have a theory that at least half the improvements from Win7 have been quietly slipped into Vista without telling anyone. Or vice versa. For me Vista with it's latest updates is rock solid, fast and slick. I want to update to Win7 but I'm having trouble justifying it to myself (mainly just the time factor, but I also think MS pricing is outrageous - they are about double what they should be).

rivo 17y ago

I wonder if there's any speed improvement compared to XP/Vista after you've installed a dozen applications. It's almost ridiculous that it takes my PC up to five minutes from pushing the power button before I can start working.

BearOfNH 17y ago

If you upgrade from (32-bit) XP to Win7, do you need to reinstall all your apps? Isn't that an important issue for a lot of folks? Yet no comment either way in the review...