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I wonder how long it's going to take for the military to step in.

yawz 13y ago
The governing party has been pretty careful in getting rid of this threat. They've imprisoned army's top layer without even real cases. The accused have been awaiting their trial for 5 or more years. I know it sounds ridiculous. It is tragic and hard to believe for someone who lives in a free state but this is the sad truth.
mrtksn 13y ago
Hopefully, till the end of time. The military interventions are the primary reason for political Islam to have such an influence over the Turkish society.
- jnbiche 13y ago
  How do you figure that? Look, the military interventions are far from ideal, but if I had a choice between a country with a military that steps in lightly when my country's secular ideals are threatened, and a country ruled by a strict authoritarian religious monoparty that strives to weaken democratic establishments, I know which one I'd choose.
  - Mustafabei 13y ago
    Well, Turkey had 2 of them in the recent history (1957 and 1980), and they did not help democracy at all.
    - jnbiche 13y ago
      Don't forget the military intervention of 1997. And yes, each one of these was a big setback for democracy. It was not my claim that military coups are good for democracy. But which would you rather have, a big setback and then a chance to rebuild a democracy, or a takeover by a party bent on eliminating democracy and the multiparty system, and turning the country into a permanent, hereditary, sham "democracy" in the style of Syria?
  - netcan 13y ago
    As an outsider it seems to me like a choice^ between military backed Nationalism and Theocracy. If one side uses god as their method of maintaining power and the other uses the army then neither can claim to be representing democracy, at least as a method of acquiring and maintaining political power. Outside of a basic democratic paradigm, I'm not sure what choice really means. But, even inside modern democracies the concept slightly theoretical.
  - alkank 13y ago
    Well there are some situations where you can't just choose between 2 options and hope everything will go on track once you make that choice. Otherwise the history will keep repeating itself - an intervention will be an 'aspirin cure' only, which will probably result with deeper consequences in the near future.

yawz 13y ago

The governing party has been pretty careful in getting rid of this threat. They've imprisoned army's top layer without even real cases. The accused have been awaiting their trial for 5 or more years. I know it sounds ridiculous. It is tragic and hard to believe for someone who lives in a free state but this is the sad truth.

mrtksn 13y ago

Hopefully, till the end of time. The military interventions are the primary reason for political Islam to have such an influence over the Turkish society.

jnbiche 13y ago
How do you figure that? Look, the military interventions are far from ideal, but if I had a choice between a country with a military that steps in lightly when my country's secular ideals are threatened, and a country ruled by a strict authoritarian religious monoparty that strives to weaken democratic establishments, I know which one I'd choose.
- Mustafabei 13y ago
  Well, Turkey had 2 of them in the recent history (1957 and 1980), and they did not help democracy at all.
  - jnbiche 13y ago
    Don't forget the military intervention of 1997. And yes, each one of these was a big setback for democracy. It was not my claim that military coups are good for democracy. But which would you rather have, a big setback and then a chance to rebuild a democracy, or a takeover by a party bent on eliminating democracy and the multiparty system, and turning the country into a permanent, hereditary, sham "democracy" in the style of Syria?
- netcan 13y ago
  As an outsider it seems to me like a choice^ between military backed Nationalism and Theocracy. If one side uses god as their method of maintaining power and the other uses the army then neither can claim to be representing democracy, at least as a method of acquiring and maintaining political power. Outside of a basic democratic paradigm, I'm not sure what choice really means. But, even inside modern democracies the concept slightly theoretical.
- alkank 13y ago
  Well there are some situations where you can't just choose between 2 options and hope everything will go on track once you make that choice. Otherwise the history will keep repeating itself - an intervention will be an 'aspirin cure' only, which will probably result with deeper consequences in the near future.