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I am not excited, as MS's track record shows, any of their "improvements" are not backwards compatible with old OSes. For example IE11 is so awesome! SO AMAZING

I am not excited, as MS's track record shows, any of their "improvements" are not backwards compatible with old OSes. For example IE11 is so awesome! SO AMAZING! Not compatible with Windows XP, yet Chrome and Firefox is still. MS's desire to ship their latest OS has hurt developers over the years. I hope people still chose Open GL over DX-whatever.

ParkerK 13y ago
>Yet Chrome and Firefox are still Older versions of FF are yes, but the latest is not supportedhttps://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-no-longer-works-some-versions-windows-xp https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-no-longer-works... There's no reason they should be expected to put dev resources into an OS that's 12 years old.
- nrc 13y ago
  To clarify, current Firefox does support Windows XP, as long as it is up to date, which means service pack 3. If you are still using an _unpatched_ version of Windows XP, well, you're on your own.
- pygy_ 13y ago
  > There's no reason they should be expected to put dev resources into an OS that's 12 years old. Depending on the the prevalence of XP usage among their users, there might be one, actually.
- Justsignedup 13y ago
  My point is speed of abandonment. Yes FF and Chrome gonna drop XP support real soon at EOL of XP. However the creators of XP are not supporting it. That's my point. MS has a history (not even contradicted once yet) of not supporting operating systems that are not the latest and greatest. I bet Win 7 wont be supported by newer IE versions in a year. Which means IE11 may be great, but we're stuck with it forever just like we're stuck with IE8, etc. And if you code for DX12, you will be abandoning like >50% of your audience, so nobody will code for it. Just like DX11 is only now gaining real steam.
  - ParkerK 13y ago
    >However the creators of XP are not supporting it. How long should they be supporting an OS? You can't expect them to support it forever. No one complains that older phones aren't supported anymore, any is the case for XP so special?
ksk 13y ago
> MS's track record shows, any of their "improvements" are not backwards compatible with old OSes. What do you mean? All new versions of all commercial software have new improvements/features. If they just released all of them for free on the previous version, they might as well just shut down their company. > Not compatible with Windows XP, yet Chrome and Firefox is still. Well IE since version 7 uses mandatory integrity control which is a kernel feature of Vista and above. XP only has DACLs. I believe what they did initially was just disable the protected mode feature when IE ran on XP. Firefox is woefully behind other browsers in this particular aspect so it doesn't need to worry about it. Chrome does the same thing as IE on Vista+. They wrote their own sandbox because its a cross platform product which is why it works on XP. So certainly, Chrome would be your choice if you want a single browser that runs on XP as well as Vista. That would matter only to businesses or computer labs or places where there is a large deployment of software across multiple OS versions. For home users, it doesn't matter. People just use whatever version of windows came with the PC.

ParkerK 13y ago

>Yet Chrome and Firefox are still Older versions of FF are yes, but the latest is not supportedhttps://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-no-longer-works-some-versions-windows-xp https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-no-longer-works... There's no reason they should be expected to put dev resources into an OS that's 12 years old.

nrc 13y ago
To clarify, current Firefox does support Windows XP, as long as it is up to date, which means service pack 3. If you are still using an _unpatched_ version of Windows XP, well, you're on your own.
pygy_ 13y ago
> There's no reason they should be expected to put dev resources into an OS that's 12 years old. Depending on the the prevalence of XP usage among their users, there might be one, actually.
Justsignedup 13y ago
My point is speed of abandonment. Yes FF and Chrome gonna drop XP support real soon at EOL of XP. However the creators of XP are not supporting it. That's my point. MS has a history (not even contradicted once yet) of not supporting operating systems that are not the latest and greatest. I bet Win 7 wont be supported by newer IE versions in a year. Which means IE11 may be great, but we're stuck with it forever just like we're stuck with IE8, etc. And if you code for DX12, you will be abandoning like >50% of your audience, so nobody will code for it. Just like DX11 is only now gaining real steam.
- ParkerK 13y ago
  >However the creators of XP are not supporting it. How long should they be supporting an OS? You can't expect them to support it forever. No one complains that older phones aren't supported anymore, any is the case for XP so special?

ksk 13y ago

> MS's track record shows, any of their "improvements" are not backwards compatible with old OSes. What do you mean? All new versions of all commercial software have new improvements/features. If they just released all of them for free on the previous version, they might as well just shut down their company. > Not compatible with Windows XP, yet Chrome and Firefox is still. Well IE since version 7 uses mandatory integrity control which is a kernel feature of Vista and above. XP only has DACLs. I believe what they did initially was just disable the protected mode feature when IE ran on XP. Firefox is woefully behind other browsers in this particular aspect so it doesn't need to worry about it. Chrome does the same thing as IE on Vista+. They wrote their own sandbox because its a cross platform product which is why it works on XP. So certainly, Chrome would be your choice if you want a single browser that runs on XP as well as Vista. That would matter only to businesses or computer labs or places where there is a large deployment of software across multiple OS versions. For home users, it doesn't matter. People just use whatever version of windows came with the PC.