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Netbeans is actually my favorite IDE for PHP development. JetBrains isn't free, and for PHP I do prefer Netbeans anyways.

solo_ 13y ago
I like the IntelliJ community edition. Sure, it doesn't have everything in the full version, but it's pretty good for what it offers.
- chipotle_coyote 13y ago
  Unfortunately, the IntelliJ community edition doesn't support most non-JVM-based languages. This is the main thing holding me back from it -- I mostly program in PHP but I do a fair amount in Python, a little in Ruby, some in Javascript, and recently some in Clojure. To do all this with IntelliJ requires the full commercial "Ultimate Edition." And just to top it off, from all appearances the free Clojure plugin is being deprecated in favor of the third-party Cursive Clojure, which is free now but "will be a commercial project at a similar price point to PyCharm or RubyMine." Since it's not a JetBrains product, that's more than likely means another $99 on top of the $199 for Ultimate. I like what I've seen of JetBrains' stuff but I don't think I like it enough to shell out that much.
  - lemming 13y ago
    Author of Cursive here. You're right, it's unfortunate that I can't get around having to charge on top of Ultimate. However note that the Community edition now includes their Python support (although not the frameworks), and for a lot of people one of their specialised IDEs (PyCharm or RubyMine, for Python or Ruby support with all the web tech) will be sufficient. I'm going to look into providing Cursive as a plugin for those IDEs to make the price more reasonable for folks who don't want Java, but I'm not sure how much work that will be since those IDEs don't include the base Java support that Cursive relies on.
    - chipotle_coyote 13y ago
      (Just catching up a bit late...) Yeah, I don't blame you for not being able to get around charging. The only obvious solution is being bought by Jetbrains, but neither of you may be interested in that outcome. :) I'm in what's probably a minority position of wanting to have Python, PHP and Clojure all in the same place. I can get there, just not at a comfortable price point...
pjmlp 13y ago
While I enjoy being able to use tools for free, as a developer I do appreciate the value of paying for tools. The said teams need to be able to live from something. Netbeans and Eclipse can be free, because Sun/Oracle/IBM get their money from somewhere else. JetBrains sells only InteliJ based tools.

solo_ 13y ago

I like the IntelliJ community edition. Sure, it doesn't have everything in the full version, but it's pretty good for what it offers.

chipotle_coyote 13y ago
Unfortunately, the IntelliJ community edition doesn't support most non-JVM-based languages. This is the main thing holding me back from it -- I mostly program in PHP but I do a fair amount in Python, a little in Ruby, some in Javascript, and recently some in Clojure. To do all this with IntelliJ requires the full commercial "Ultimate Edition." And just to top it off, from all appearances the free Clojure plugin is being deprecated in favor of the third-party Cursive Clojure, which is free now but "will be a commercial project at a similar price point to PyCharm or RubyMine." Since it's not a JetBrains product, that's more than likely means another $99 on top of the $199 for Ultimate. I like what I've seen of JetBrains' stuff but I don't think I like it enough to shell out that much.
- lemming 13y ago
  Author of Cursive here. You're right, it's unfortunate that I can't get around having to charge on top of Ultimate. However note that the Community edition now includes their Python support (although not the frameworks), and for a lot of people one of their specialised IDEs (PyCharm or RubyMine, for Python or Ruby support with all the web tech) will be sufficient. I'm going to look into providing Cursive as a plugin for those IDEs to make the price more reasonable for folks who don't want Java, but I'm not sure how much work that will be since those IDEs don't include the base Java support that Cursive relies on.
  - chipotle_coyote 13y ago
    (Just catching up a bit late...) Yeah, I don't blame you for not being able to get around charging. The only obvious solution is being bought by Jetbrains, but neither of you may be interested in that outcome. :) I'm in what's probably a minority position of wanting to have Python, PHP and Clojure all in the same place. I can get there, just not at a comfortable price point...

pjmlp 13y ago

While I enjoy being able to use tools for free, as a developer I do appreciate the value of paying for tools. The said teams need to be able to live from something. Netbeans and Eclipse can be free, because Sun/Oracle/IBM get their money from somewhere else. JetBrains sells only InteliJ based tools.