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How do you think personal and private property laws get enforced? Don't be under the illusion that our system is built upon trust and volunteer acceptance. It'

by socrates1998 13y ago

How do you think personal and private property laws get enforced? Don't be under the illusion that our system is built upon trust and volunteer acceptance. It's built upon overwhelming brute force. >he military isn't going to take over a dealership with armed service personnel to keep Tesla from selling their cars. Who do you think the car dealerships will call when Telsa refuses to shut his stores down? The police. They will confiscate the property, arrest the managers/owners and shut down the business. That is overwhelming brute force whether you call it the military or the police.

res0nat0r 13y ago
> Who do you think the car dealerships will call when Telsa refuses to shut his stores down? The police. They will confiscate the property, arrest the managers/owners and shut down the business. I'm going with the court system. Businesses for the most part don't comply with the law because they are worried about a gun being pointed to their head, they are worried about being sued and being put out of business, or being sent to jail for something criminal.
- baddox 13y ago
  > Businesses for the most part don't comply with the law because they are worried about a gun being pointed to their head, they are worried about being sued and being put out of business, or being sent to jail for something criminal. Those are essentially the same thing. What do you think happens if a court rules that you cannot continue your business, but you do anyway? Or what happens if you are given a jail sentence and you physically resist being moved to jail?
  - res0nat0r 13y ago
    Sure it can eventually come to that, but thinking that businesses operate for the most part in compliance with the law because they are worried about being accosted by the US military is just fear mongering.
    - baddox 13y ago
      Again, I don't think anyone here is talking about the military.
      - res0nat0r 13y ago
        Military / police / militia, whatever type of scary men with guns you are insinuating above...
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    - visakanv 13y ago
      You're making it sound comical by making it over precise. Business comply with the law because the law has the capacity to punish them. That's it, plain and simple. It's about enforcement.
aninhumer 13y ago
>Don't be under the illusion that our system is built upon trust and volunteer acceptance. It's built upon overwhelming brute force. Not completely, but society still heavily relies on it. The majority of people obey (most) laws because they believe it's the right thing to do, not because they're afraid of punishment. And if they didn't, we'd very quickly find that the existing police forces are completely inadequate to keep control of a herd of psychopaths. Companies are a little different, since their decision making is often disconnected enough that the individual morality of their employees isn't necessarily reflected in their overall behaviour.

res0nat0r 13y ago

> Who do you think the car dealerships will call when Telsa refuses to shut his stores down? The police. They will confiscate the property, arrest the managers/owners and shut down the business. I'm going with the court system. Businesses for the most part don't comply with the law because they are worried about a gun being pointed to their head, they are worried about being sued and being put out of business, or being sent to jail for something criminal.

baddox 13y ago
> Businesses for the most part don't comply with the law because they are worried about a gun being pointed to their head, they are worried about being sued and being put out of business, or being sent to jail for something criminal. Those are essentially the same thing. What do you think happens if a court rules that you cannot continue your business, but you do anyway? Or what happens if you are given a jail sentence and you physically resist being moved to jail?
- res0nat0r 13y ago
  Sure it can eventually come to that, but thinking that businesses operate for the most part in compliance with the law because they are worried about being accosted by the US military is just fear mongering.
  - baddox 13y ago
    Again, I don't think anyone here is talking about the military.
    - res0nat0r 13y ago
      Military / police / militia, whatever type of scary men with guns you are insinuating above...
      - deleted 13y ago
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  - visakanv 13y ago
    You're making it sound comical by making it over precise. Business comply with the law because the law has the capacity to punish them. That's it, plain and simple. It's about enforcement.

aninhumer 13y ago

>Don't be under the illusion that our system is built upon trust and volunteer acceptance. It's built upon overwhelming brute force. Not completely, but society still heavily relies on it. The majority of people obey (most) laws because they believe it's the right thing to do, not because they're afraid of punishment. And if they didn't, we'd very quickly find that the existing police forces are completely inadequate to keep control of a herd of psychopaths. Companies are a little different, since their decision making is often disconnected enough that the individual morality of their employees isn't necessarily reflected in their overall behaviour.