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They also removed the last bit of Jabber interoperability in the new Google Mail chat/hangouts frontend. I used to be able to talk to my Jabber frieds on both

by morsch 13y ago

They also removed the last bit of Jabber interoperability in the new Google Mail chat/hangouts frontend. I used to be able to talk to my Jabber frieds on both Android and Gmail/Web. They dropped federation on Android with the move to Hangouts, and -- unsurprisingly -- they're now doing the same for Gmail/Web as it's moving to Hangouts. I'm eyeing TextSecure as a replacement IM tool. Sort of hoping the TextSecure desktop app comes around before the Gmail Hangout integration becomes mandatory; but as cool as TextSecure may be from a security perspective, they haven't exactly blown me away with the timeliness of their releases. ;)

darklajid 13y ago
Aaand no federation with TextSecure either.. :/
- morsch 13y ago
  No? I think it's something they want to do, there's a reference to it in the recent blog post[0]: "The new TextSecure push transport is a federated protocol, and inter-operates transparently with the CyanogenMod deployment of the TextSecure protocol to their 10MM+ users a few months ago." I gotta say, while I can't really fault them for not releasing the software as quickly as I'd wish they did, I do think their communication could be a bit better. I still have no idea how, for instance, the CM integration works on either the user interface or the technical level. The inter-operability may be transparent; it certainly is oblique. ;) Don't get me wrong, though, I like what they're doing and I'm looking forward to seeing more. [0] https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-new-textsecure/ https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-new-textsecure/
  - darklajid 13y ago
    Yes, but in related threads my hope was crushed: It seems that 'federated' means: "We have a list of servers that we trust". CM is one of those. You and I won't be able to host a TextSecure server for our friends and family and still be connected to the general public.
  - fluidcruft 13y ago
    The federation challenge for TextSecure comes up a lot and IIRC it has to do with the fact that it's a SMS replacement so accounts are phone number and phone numbers aren't routable to the user's domain. If I understand correctly it would be like trying to deliver messages after truncating the "@blah.tld" part from a jabber/email address--lots of opportunity for shenanigans.
saraid216 13y ago
> they're now doing the same for Gmail/Web as it's moving to Hangouts. Moving? Hasn't this been the case for the last two years?
- morsch 13y ago
  I'm referring to this: http://gmailblog.blogspot.de/2013/05/try-out-new-hangouts-experience-in-gmail.html http://gmailblog.blogspot.de/2013/05/try-out-new-hangouts-ex... It's still opt-in, at least for me.
  - saraid216 13y ago
    Huh. Yeah, it just showed up for me one day and I continued ignoring it.

by morsch 13y ago

darklajid 13y ago

Aaand no federation with TextSecure either.. :/

morsch 13y ago
No? I think it's something they want to do, there's a reference to it in the recent blog post[0]: "The new TextSecure push transport is a federated protocol, and inter-operates transparently with the CyanogenMod deployment of the TextSecure protocol to their 10MM+ users a few months ago." I gotta say, while I can't really fault them for not releasing the software as quickly as I'd wish they did, I do think their communication could be a bit better. I still have no idea how, for instance, the CM integration works on either the user interface or the technical level. The inter-operability may be transparent; it certainly is oblique. ;) Don't get me wrong, though, I like what they're doing and I'm looking forward to seeing more. [0] https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-new-textsecure/ https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-new-textsecure/
- darklajid 13y ago
  Yes, but in related threads my hope was crushed: It seems that 'federated' means: "We have a list of servers that we trust". CM is one of those. You and I won't be able to host a TextSecure server for our friends and family and still be connected to the general public.
- fluidcruft 13y ago
  The federation challenge for TextSecure comes up a lot and IIRC it has to do with the fact that it's a SMS replacement so accounts are phone number and phone numbers aren't routable to the user's domain. If I understand correctly it would be like trying to deliver messages after truncating the "@blah.tld" part from a jabber/email address--lots of opportunity for shenanigans.

saraid216 13y ago

> they're now doing the same for Gmail/Web as it's moving to Hangouts. Moving? Hasn't this been the case for the last two years?

morsch 13y ago
I'm referring to this: http://gmailblog.blogspot.de/2013/05/try-out-new-hangouts-experience-in-gmail.html http://gmailblog.blogspot.de/2013/05/try-out-new-hangouts-ex... It's still opt-in, at least for me.
- saraid216 13y ago
  Huh. Yeah, it just showed up for me one day and I continued ignoring it.